What have you changed your mind about?

Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 64 points –

And I don't mean things you previously had no strong opinion about.

What is a belief you used to hold that you no longer do, and what/who made you change your mind about it?

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Ukraine... Russia isn't socialist anymore you know? Gorbachev ended that back in 1991 with the help of his western allies, against the wishes of the population, over 90% of which voted for the USSR to remain.

Still, this current war started in 2014 with the CIA-backed fascist coup and the subsequent killing of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, like in Donbas and Crimea, for resisting the coup gov.

This was the results of the 2010 elections for example.

Eastern Ukrainians don't support the current gov, and even welcomed the Russian army as liberators in 2022.

And as for China, the US and its allies are the only ones accusing them of mishandling the ETIM in Xinjiang. Muslim countries and the Global South approve of China's policies.

35+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

...separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation approve of China's treatment of its Muslim population.

  1. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.

Unlike other countries, China has mostly responded to ETIM's attacks by building vocational training centers and integrating the region better into the rest of China's economy, that is to say they are tackling the material reasons for why someone would have to resort to violence in the first place. And it has been successful, hence the Global South countries approving of it.

You can visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself btw since covid restrictions are gone now, and there's alot of yt videos doing just that.

First of all - you're not the person my question was directed at.

Secondly - you're just firehosing me with information that I couldn't fact-check in any reasonable amount of time nor figure out all the things you're omiting. You also state as fact things that you or nobody else could possibly know to the degree of cerainty you present it as such as "this current war started in 2014 with the CIA-backed fascist coup"

However, even if I grant you that everything you stated above is factually correct it still leaves unanswered what the main point of my question was; how do you justify this? Take the Russian invasion of Ukraine for example. If west is evil and east is good then how does a murderous campaing like this fit into the equation? How is it moral to invade a sovereign nation, attack their civilian population, target critical infrastucture in the middle of winter, send your own people there to die in meatwave attacks after two days of training and bomb cities into rubble. Cities where their alledged supporters are living in? Not even China is endorsing this and the whole "evil" west has united in support of the underdog being bullied by the second most powerful nation in the world. I can't possibly imagine how someone can look at this carnage and think Russia is good.

I'm not really justifying the invasion. Its aims of suppressing the far-right in western Ukraine seems to have kinda backfired from this after all, with the Ukraine gov using this as an excuse to suppress the left.

Point is, what else could've they done? They've already tried to join NATO multiple times from even before the USSR's dissolution and have been denied (since it exists to suppress socialism, and particularly Russia, just look up what their first secretary Ismay has said about NATO's purpose, globally, not give them a say) and they already had the Minsk agreements which the US sidelined through the coup. Not doing something about it would lead to the continued killing of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, and NATO getting even closer to Russia since the post-2014 US puppet gov doesn't abide by the Minsk agreements.

you’re not the person my question was directed at

This post is open to everyone you know? OP can still respond to you if they feel like it. Wouldn't blame them for not doing so though cuz it can get pretty tiring to continuously debunk western propaganda with how prevalent it is in english-speaking spaces.

This post is open to everyone you know?

Sure, but he said "...(what I thought at the time) the most obviously incorrect takes." so I was curious on hearing what made him specifically change his mind as he used to have exactly the opposite views. My question wasn't so much about how tankies justify this but how he does it considering he's someone who used to be on "my side"