Biden 'not confident' of peaceful transition if Trump loses

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US President Joe Biden has said he is not confident there will be a peaceful transition of power if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.

"[Trump] means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all this stuff about ‘if we lose it will be a bloodbath’.”

Mr Trump’s comment that it would “be a bloodbath for the country” if he loses the election, made as he was talking about the auto industry in March, triggered a wave of criticism.

The Trump campaign, however, said the comment was specifically about the auto industry and had been deliberately taken out of context. It sent a fundraising email which said Trump’s political opponents and others had been "viciously" misquoting him.

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That's a good start, now follow up with the rest of the context of the many links I posted.

Also I'm curious you haven't answered any of my question about why your account is only 3 days old and have such a strong opinion on American politics.

I dont' know who's doing it but please stop down voting @glizzard@lemmy.ca . You're only hiding the slow progress they're making.

I don’t need your introductions to ranked voting. I can see the point. But bot when all the other shit exists, too. There’s an order to this shit, and giving extra levers to those that don’t want democracy isn’t helpful either

I think you might, because you're parroting the point of the very people you're saying are "poisoning the pool "as you say.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/us/ranked-choice-voting-elections.html

And again, here you can read this one in private. I won't tell anyone.

https://triblive.com/opinion/tyler-cowen-want-more-moderate-candidates-demand-ranked-choice-voting/

I literally do not want more moderate candidates. Do you not see that is my point? If you push towards moderation when the average is slewed towards “anarcho-capitalism”, you’re going to keep pushing that direction.

So Trump, that's a moderate candidate? That's what FPTP has gotten us.

You also don't understand the Overton Window as it's a general trend. Also how it's a product of a binary choice that's referenced by Duverger's Law. I've literally laid out my whole political theory in support of Pluralistic Democracy and how the fastest way for America to get there is RCV.

Your response to all of this is that links are hard and you've only directly responded to a cherry picked comment from a political scientist that was cautious about saying RCV will definitely cure America's electoral problems.

Again, you would be better served to look at any of the materials I've provided you.

No, that’s what the Electoral College got you. Not FPTP. That’d be Hillary. She won the majority, was first past the post. But in America, you use FPTP and take all the posts and count them differently.

You’re totally misconstruing “the overton window”, jesus christ. My point, is that there is no point in implementing some RC system when only the Democrats and Republicans exist in an ecosystem where companies and people can openly purchase politicians.

All of these ideas make sense on paper, because they all assume the electoral system isn’t completely infected with money. This would simply add another layer to make it harder to remove it. You have to remove the money first, then complicate the system.

I can only see this via the Republican party being completely decimated, and replaced by a contingent of 3-5 parties splitting from the Democrat ticket after they secure enough of a majority to fix the constitution. If they cant do that, it should never happen

Please stick to the single stream of our topic. I'm not going to discuss this with you across multiple comments. I'm researching my responses so that I can provide you sources in good faith. If you'd rather just knock over the pieces and shit on the board feel free.

Lmfao you’re trash, this is my cellphone, you like to make fun of people for getting names wrong and now you cry cause comments are in two threads. Get over yourself mr botnet

Name calling, projection, personal identity indiscernible from personal politics, making excuses for not being able to make a cogent argument. Are you sure you're not American?

I only downvoted like once or twice, and they were times they were legitimately useless. Hilarious you’d call it out when you’re clearly downvoting my content immediately.

Because I just joined this website. Because it has content now, that’s generally up to date. It’s a crime, mr officer, to be a young account and be disagreeable.

I'm not downvoting you, and I didn't say anything about you downvoting me.

No I'm suspicious of young accounts that have such strong opinions on countries they don't live in.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57558028

https://theconversation.com/political-trolls-adapt-create-material-to-deceive-and-confuse-the-public-135177

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-01-13-social-media-manipulation-political-actors-industrial-scale-problem-oxford-report

I'm sure you can understand why

Okay mister “random letters that can’t accept a differing opinion and replies with random shitty links to make his point look better”, I definitely understand

Satire as progress, is this more of the nuanced take that is supposed to sway me away from pluralistic democracy?

I’m literally just saying that pushing for Ranked Choice voting in a hyper-capitalist, hyper-lobbied environment like America would simply reinforce the goals of neo-liberals. Unless you’re posting all of this in irony? Because you’re the botnet? And that’s why you have to call lit the downvotes? Like why even invoke that? Because youre a bot?

You sure do project a lot.

You repeat republican talking points.

Say that you don't' want moderate candidates.

Are you familiar with logical fallacies? You've hit like five in our conversation already. Notably

Tu Quoque

Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle

Hasty Generalization

and most notably the False Dilemma that since Ranked Choice doesn't work in one tiny part of Canadian politics it won't work in American politics. How do you think the US will get any of these changes done with more candidates like Trump and Harris? You misread the definition of moderate, it means that there will be a more unified approach to government and generally agreed upon changes will happen in the US, things like Taxing the Rich, Reversing Citizens United, Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices.

Since you're fond of Bots and AI here's a very simplified list of common Fallacies written by some LLM or another https://academicinfluence.com/inflection/study-guides/logical-fallacies

See I have to post references for you about American politics because you don't live here, and I don't think you understand what we're facing as a country. https://theconversation.com/surprise-american-voters-actually-largely-agree-on-many-issues-including-topics-like-abortion-immigration-and-wealth-inequality-229458

Lmfao bro I’m just trying to say it seems like cute bullshit, a massive herring that’d be so hard to implement then just makes it worse. And all I said was I’ve seen how it can make it worse. Like maybe there are waaaay bigger fish… and you say this would get you there. I just don’t feel it will. And that’s all said. I mean you talk about manufacturing consent. Do you think they’re manufacturing your consent for ranked voting? What’s real? Man who fucking knows the definition of words? Ohh gotcha, I used THIS definition of the word! Well, you're a cocksucker. Don’t worry, my definition is really nice

You're going for the full 30 standard logical fallacies, I understand the desire to be a completionist. The way you solve bigger fish is by getting candidates that will make those changes. You're not going to get that with First Past the Post Voting.

I'm not doing any of this for you. It's proven that providing facts for people who disagree with you, ESPECIALLY those that tie their ego into being "right" in a discussion or argument, does not work. https://www.inc.com/james-sudakow/why-you-will-fail-to-persuade-people-90-of-the-time-if-you-only-use-logic.html/

You literally don't know what you don't know. You might be interested in what's commonly called the Dunning Kruger Effect. Here, this might help you understand that you don't understand. https://nesslabs.com/dunning-kruger-effect

I'm just putting together a long long long chain of responses to you, treating you much like an interactive prompt; to better form my argument and research what I'm saying. I literally do not care what you think about American Politics. You're not able to effect any direct change. However, your confused and muddled view could be damaging to someone else. I'd like to avoid that if at all possible. Again, the only way America can get to RCV is if the momentum that started in 2020 continues and more states adopt it, so that there can be more call to implement it. And maybe, just maybe this fucking country I've lived in and fought for can finally start moving towards the 20th century and turn away from this path that's dragging us closer to tech bro feudalism. https://www.wired.com/story/yanis-varoufakis-technofeudalism-interview/

You are more than welcome to refute my points and continue this discussion. It's been really cathartic for me.

I'm just happy I exposed you to some things you previously weren't aware of. I doubt you've read manufacturing consent, or looked at the broader sources I sent you. And happily got you to read at least one article about RCV in the US. I don't care about being right, but I do care about sharing information and making sure that people can form and defend their own opinions.

I hope things get better, just like you do. We don't agree on how it'll get done. But the more defensive you get, the more fun it is to poke you. I'm sorry for that. But I'm also happy that you've been exposed to a couple radical opinions, and a different point of view.

Yes I think we can all tell you’re practically masturbating over the scarecrow you’ve build out in the yard.

You can go read all the math in the world and perfectly construct your perfectly composed model of everything. Get back to me when you’ve worked out the kinks. You know why we killed all those boys in Vietnam? Because some genius like the self-described here brought a bunch of equations and used them to murder thousands of people. I fucking agree with your assessment of how ranked choice voting works. But I do not agree with your assertion that any form of voting system will have an effect before lobbying is illegal.

Are you the straw man? Keep going, I'm almost finished.

Oh I almost forgot, How oh How wise one who needs details to be happy, How will we get rid of Lobbying without the candidates to do it?

I know, take your time. I can see that cogent thought can be difficult for you. Long Covid maybe?