Ukrainian soldiers suspected they would invade Russia when they got new rifles, but still thought it was a joke when the orders came through

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Ukrainian soldiers suspected they would invade Russia when they got new rifles, but still thought it was a joke when the orders came through
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  • Ukrainian's shock offensive on Russia's Kursk region came as a surprise even to Ukraine's soldiers.
  • "We joked that it wasn't April 1st," a Ukrainian soldier toldĀ The Economist.
  • The country's troops did suspect that an invasion was imminent after they were issued new equipment.
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That might work for guerilla warfare tactics

Like the guerrilla used in Afghanistan by the talibans which proved successful in defeating the strongest army in the world?

Which took 20 years after the country that fully occupied them decided to leave.

You should always do the right thing regardless of how much time it takes.

If you want to compare these two wars i just discovered something i didn't know, it seem so far more people died in the russia-ukraine war that in the latest afghan war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)

The US wasn't conducting a genocidal war in Afghanistan. The Russian government is explicitly attempting to erase Ukraine as an entity and anyone who calls themselves Ukrainian with it.

Sorry, what is the "right" thing here?

The right thing is fighting for freedom and not for authoritarian governments

Yeah cool, so if you're ukrainiaU kill as many Russian soldiers as possible in the most organized and efficient way possible.

The right thing would be for you to stop spreading all this false and cherry picked information. But here you are, running PR for Russia, who is clearly not doing the right thing.

Decentralized command is/was official doctrine in the Swedish military too. A single squadron in the woods, with a few fighter jets and a remote airstrip, is an independent entity in the Swedish military, intended to operate behind enemy lines, independent of the rest of the military.

However this only works for guerilla warfare, and Ukraine isn't at the point of insurgency yet. There is some partisan warfare in occupied Ukraine, but the majority of Ukraine's army is not behind enemy lines. It would be a lot harder for Ukraine to protect civilians and rearm if they downgraded to guerilla tactics.

Not to mention, comparing Afghanistan with Ukraine is such a nonsensical comparison. Russia is dedicating their entire army to Ukraine, and conscripting tens of thousands of soldiers. Russia loses more soldiers in a day than the US lost during the entire 20 year occupation.

Believe me, Russia would not have a fun time trying to occupy the entirety of Ukraine, and that's why they won't win this war. But the fact that Ukraine still has a coherent military has helped them defend their country, and helped preserve Ukraine from descending into complete chaos.

Stop talking about history like you know anything.

It was so effective because the US was pressured about collateral damage. Clearly Russia doesn't care about that. If we could have just bombed every single building in Afghanistan it would have been cake.

Jesus, you can't have a conversation without constantly misrepresenting things and ignoring obvious facts.