we are deeply disturbed by the chilling impact this decision will have to crush dissent
Give me a fucking break. As a legislator, you have no shortage of ways to dissent including access to media, the ability to speak on the floor of the legislature, and the ability to vote on legislation. What you can't do, if you want to keep your job is not show up for work every time you know you're going to lose a vote so that the legislature can't do business.
As an Oregon voter, tough shit. We voted with a 68% majority to amend the state constitution, with explicit penalties for legislative absenteeism.
The chilling impact they are feeling is the will of the people bitch slapping their defunct political strategy.
"But that's all just Portland voters! All the rest us of didn't want that!" - My idiot father.
Yeah dude, Portland is most of us. Your vote isn't worth more just because you live around less people.
Land doesn’t vote
It's not even true. There are 3 million registered voters in Oregon, of whom 565k are in Portland (well, Multnomah). While we lean very heavily D, most of the registered D's in the state are elsewhere.
"Portland" is usually used as shorthand for Clackamas/Multnomah/Washington counties, which are about half the states population overall. Shouldn't be shocking that half the states population does rather heavily influence how the state is run though. Did folks expect Harney county (10,135 sq mi, with 7,515 people) to be the big decider? C'mon now.
Surprisingly, even if you include all 3 counties you're still only about 40% of the registered voters--although you are now at about 50% of the registered D's. Meaning the rest of the state skews Republican but not by that much.
That's still a majority. Tough shit pops, do some math.
"What about a musician who wants to express a nonpartisan message that young people should participate in our democracy?"
That's DIFFERENT she needs to JUST SHUT UP
“She said she votes for human rights, so we know she votes for the wrong team.”
Refuse to do job.
Get fired.
/surprisedpikachu
Not even fired, but not rehired when their contract is up.
we are deeply disturbed by the chilling impact this decision will have to crush dissent
What they really said is: Wah! Boohoo! We don't like consequences for our actions! Wah! Wah!
Daddy, why are they fucking around and when they find out, they're being little bitches?
Because they are little bitches.
The amendment says a lawmaker is not allowed to run “for the term following the election after the member’s current term is completed.” The senators claimed the amendment meant they could seek another term, since a senator’s term ends in January while elections are held the previous November.
What a slimey disingenuous BS argument. They are knowingly trying to subvert the law specifically aimed at their behavior while pretending it's SOMEHOW the will of the voters to ignore them.
‘Crush dissent’? lol good you clown, I don’t think law makers should be crushing dissent…
Conservatives supported this rule to punish those who attempted to manipulate sessions by not showing up. When the rule applies to them, they pretend they are victims of some kind.
The entire time the walk-out was happening, they told the media the rule wouldn't apply to them and they intended to run again. It was pure arrogance as it happened. And it's pure arrogance now as they claim their rule shouldn't apply to them.
Fuck conservatives. A conservative is incapable of honesty. Every word they utter is deception or manipulation. Every word.
As an orgonian, fuck yes, that entire group can go eat a bag of dicks.
…eat a bag of dicks…
Why would you reward them?
* expired dicks
yeah, give me those dicks
We should hang out sometime.
i'll tell you what should hang out...
The GOP loves whining and not doing their job. These people are being paid to represent people, by wilfully abusing quorum to stall the process they are doing their constituents a major disservice.
Filibuster if you want to stand there and defend against change you disagree with, but using absence as a political weapon is slimy and low effort.
Isn't that literally what the nazis did? Block decision making by walking out of the Reichstag when they were in the oposition?
Yeah they also used the term "fake news" to illegitimize opposing news sources just like a specific rotten orange I refuse to name
Huh. Who'd thought?
Oh brother...that word is thrown around way too much by both sides...
Just to clarify, I was not referring to anybody as a Nazi, I simply noted, that the method of blocking votes and using "the system" against itself is not new. And when the methods someone uses have been deployed by the literal original nazis, then I find this noteworthy.
I agree in general. The term is used as a strong word to clarify someone's stand point, but besides cheers from within the own bubble and resistance from. The other bubble, nothing happens. The bubbles won't be dissolved that way.
I the end, I think, globally, there is no fight "left VS right" but democrats VS autocrats (not referring to the democratic party here) , and whoever values liberty should stand together against autocrats independently of the party someone prefers.
It's fine to call the GOP Nazis since they're reading the same playbook and sitting at the same table as them
I disagree, not because I think they have an agenda which may or may not yield similar results, but because the majority of Republicans aren't Nazis. They do not want to extend the "Lebensraum" for Germans, they blame and marginalized different minorities and they are not running around in Nazi uniforms (again, the majority). That doesn't make them in principle any better, but Nazis were as a matter of fact in Europe...
There have been plenty of autocracies before, during and after Nazi Germany, Nazis were simply the term that stuck.
Call them by what they really are: autocrats. They are unable to deny this. If you call them Nazi, the counter argument is obvious: we can't be Nazis, because we. Didn't kill millions of people in concentration camps(yet).
Calling anybody a Nazi does not fulfill any purpose besides getting applause from people in the same bubble as you're already in.
That's my point. Feel free to disagree.
Where will the GOP find 10 more shit heads to run?
The bottom of the barrel, especially with conservatives, is like the TARDIS - impossibly larger on the inside than it appears from the outside.
Womp womp.
What? There's a consequence for not doing your job? Who would have guessed?
HAHAHAHAHA
FAFO indeed.
If you missed more than 10 days of work at any job, it's likely you'll be fired, so they can just pull themselves up by the boot-straps and find another job.
Haha
Lol..Oregon's a mess...they'll do whatever they can to get rid of Republicans...
they'll do whatever they can to get rid of Republicans politicians that refuse to do their fucking jobs
FTFY
Does that go for both sides? We visited Portland a while back, some of it looked like a 3rd World Country...and we all know what party is in control...
I'd say that it's not a good path to tread to have courts deciding who can and can't be on the ballot, however, in this particular case, it was put to the voters, and these guys knew the rule when they broke it, so c'est la vie
As for their argument, I'd say go with it... Let them run, let them get elected, then bar them for the term... That's actually how the wording works out... Theyre correct that they can technically run, but it's pretty specific about being unable to seve the term.
Fuck around and let a district go unrepresented for a term because legislators wanna play the "well ackshually" game, and the voters will sort that shit right out.
No thanks. We don't want elected officials cheating their way into illegal filibusters explicitly prohibited by law.
That is not a functioning democracy. If the minority can simply refuse to participate, so no work can be done by either side.
And no, voters having the ability to wait (potentially) years to just vote them out in the next cycle does not make it a functioning democracy.
This. Everyone knows how a vote is supposed to work. If there are ten people, six of them vote for A and the other four leave, A wins.
But how do i know A didn't rig the elections? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The problem with that is it denies all of the people in that district their right to representation. It's not fair to punish people just because voters were dumb enough to elect someone who can't actually serve. The reasonable thing to do is ban unqualified candidates from the ballot. Otherwise it's like electing a dead person, they are going to have to hold a special election or appoint someone or do whatever the legal process is to fill the vacancy ASAP.
It's not fair to punish people just because voters were dumb enough to elect someone who can't actually serv
But isn't it the dumb voters being punished here? I kind of agree with OP
It's everyone in the district being punished, not just those who voted, and not just those who voted "dumb". That's not justice.
I'd rather have no representation than one of these bad faith assholes "representing" me.
have courts deciding who can and can't be on the ballot
Who but the courts rules on 14th amendment violations?
this isn't 14th amendment, it's oregon state law
The other major news story about courts deciding who can and cannot be on the ballot is regarding the 14th amendment. @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca was likely referring to that, and to @aelwero@lemmy.world's comment.
fair enough, ty
I've often wondered if this should be the punishment for failing to draw up constitutionally legal district maps. If a state can't figure out how to not gerrymander the heck out of itself, deny them represention for a term while they sort it out.
Arguably the people elected under such maps don't reflect the true will of the people anyways
Does nobody proofread anything anymore? This amendment, well intended, sounds like it was written and distributed by a 6th grade civics class.
It was a ballot initiative for an amendment. It was presented directly to voters. It was written so that voters could understand it.
oof, maybe not meant to be a burn, but that was a burn for sure
Not really, the average literacy rate in the U.S is ~7th grade. This isn't just words, this is the ability to comprehend, remember, and critically think about what is read. Which is on average that of a 12 year old...
Take 100 people and HALF of them are more literate than a educationally average 12 year old, the rest are LESS literate. That's half of your voters...
It's a sad state of the U.S.
What is "what happens when you choose to economically disadvantage schooling because you're mad about desegregation and the institution of a federal department of education", Alex?
So you would rather stuff that's being put up to a vote be worded in a way that ambiguous? You want people to be able to slip in random new laws because it's so difficult to read? How about it's not only super difficult to read, but it was alson7 pages long? That's how you'd rather vote?
What's weird is that the wording on the ballot appears clear. How did this altered wording get into the constitution? That wording wasn't voted on, so how can different wording legal?
Minority leader Tim Knopp said:
Give me a fucking break. As a legislator, you have no shortage of ways to dissent including access to media, the ability to speak on the floor of the legislature, and the ability to vote on legislation. What you can't do, if you want to keep your job is not show up for work every time you know you're going to lose a vote so that the legislature can't do business.
As an Oregon voter, tough shit. We voted with a 68% majority to amend the state constitution, with explicit penalties for legislative absenteeism.
The chilling impact they are feeling is the will of the people bitch slapping their defunct political strategy.
"But that's all just Portland voters! All the rest us of didn't want that!" - My idiot father. Yeah dude, Portland is most of us. Your vote isn't worth more just because you live around less people.
Land doesn’t vote
It's not even true. There are 3 million registered voters in Oregon, of whom 565k are in Portland (well, Multnomah). While we lean very heavily D, most of the registered D's in the state are elsewhere.
"Portland" is usually used as shorthand for Clackamas/Multnomah/Washington counties, which are about half the states population overall. Shouldn't be shocking that half the states population does rather heavily influence how the state is run though. Did folks expect Harney county (10,135 sq mi, with 7,515 people) to be the big decider? C'mon now.
Surprisingly, even if you include all 3 counties you're still only about 40% of the registered voters--although you are now at about 50% of the registered D's. Meaning the rest of the state skews Republican but not by that much.
That's still a majority. Tough shit pops, do some math.
"What about a musician who wants to express a nonpartisan message that young people should participate in our democracy?"
That's DIFFERENT she needs to JUST SHUT UP
“She said she votes for human rights, so we know she votes for the wrong team.”
Refuse to do job.
Get fired.
/surprisedpikachu
Not even fired, but not rehired when their contract is up.
What they really said is: Wah! Boohoo! We don't like consequences for our actions! Wah! Wah!
Daddy, why are they fucking around and when they find out, they're being little bitches?
Because they are little bitches.
What a slimey disingenuous BS argument. They are knowingly trying to subvert the law specifically aimed at their behavior while pretending it's SOMEHOW the will of the voters to ignore them.
‘Crush dissent’? lol good you clown, I don’t think law makers should be crushing dissent…
Conservatives supported this rule to punish those who attempted to manipulate sessions by not showing up. When the rule applies to them, they pretend they are victims of some kind.
The entire time the walk-out was happening, they told the media the rule wouldn't apply to them and they intended to run again. It was pure arrogance as it happened. And it's pure arrogance now as they claim their rule shouldn't apply to them.
Fuck conservatives. A conservative is incapable of honesty. Every word they utter is deception or manipulation. Every word.
As an orgonian, fuck yes, that entire group can go eat a bag of dicks.
Why would you reward them?
* expired dicks
yeah, give me those dicks
We should hang out sometime.
i'll tell you what should hang out...
The GOP loves whining and not doing their job. These people are being paid to represent people, by wilfully abusing quorum to stall the process they are doing their constituents a major disservice.
Filibuster if you want to stand there and defend against change you disagree with, but using absence as a political weapon is slimy and low effort.
Isn't that literally what the nazis did? Block decision making by walking out of the Reichstag when they were in the oposition?
Yeah they also used the term "fake news" to illegitimize opposing news sources just like a specific rotten orange I refuse to name
Huh. Who'd thought?
Oh brother...that word is thrown around way too much by both sides...
Just to clarify, I was not referring to anybody as a Nazi, I simply noted, that the method of blocking votes and using "the system" against itself is not new. And when the methods someone uses have been deployed by the literal original nazis, then I find this noteworthy.
I agree in general. The term is used as a strong word to clarify someone's stand point, but besides cheers from within the own bubble and resistance from. The other bubble, nothing happens. The bubbles won't be dissolved that way. I the end, I think, globally, there is no fight "left VS right" but democrats VS autocrats (not referring to the democratic party here) , and whoever values liberty should stand together against autocrats independently of the party someone prefers.
It's fine to call the GOP Nazis since they're reading the same playbook and sitting at the same table as them
I disagree, not because I think they have an agenda which may or may not yield similar results, but because the majority of Republicans aren't Nazis. They do not want to extend the "Lebensraum" for Germans, they blame and marginalized different minorities and they are not running around in Nazi uniforms (again, the majority). That doesn't make them in principle any better, but Nazis were as a matter of fact in Europe...
There have been plenty of autocracies before, during and after Nazi Germany, Nazis were simply the term that stuck. Call them by what they really are: autocrats. They are unable to deny this. If you call them Nazi, the counter argument is obvious: we can't be Nazis, because we. Didn't kill millions of people in concentration camps(yet). Calling anybody a Nazi does not fulfill any purpose besides getting applause from people in the same bubble as you're already in. That's my point. Feel free to disagree.
As an Oregonian...
Hehe. Hehehehe! Hehehahahaaahahah!!! ...*gasp*... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
What a pack of morons.
Huuurrr hurr hurrr.
Found out.
Proud of my state here
Where will the GOP find 10 more shit heads to run?
The bottom of the barrel, especially with conservatives, is like the TARDIS - impossibly larger on the inside than it appears from the outside.
Womp womp.
What? There's a consequence for not doing your job? Who would have guessed?
HAHAHAHAHA
FAFO indeed.
If you missed more than 10 days of work at any job, it's likely you'll be fired, so they can just pull themselves up by the boot-straps and find another job.
Haha
Lol..Oregon's a mess...they'll do whatever they can to get rid of Republicans...
FTFY
Does that go for both sides? We visited Portland a while back, some of it looked like a 3rd World Country...and we all know what party is in control...
I'd say that it's not a good path to tread to have courts deciding who can and can't be on the ballot, however, in this particular case, it was put to the voters, and these guys knew the rule when they broke it, so c'est la vie
As for their argument, I'd say go with it... Let them run, let them get elected, then bar them for the term... That's actually how the wording works out... Theyre correct that they can technically run, but it's pretty specific about being unable to seve the term.
Fuck around and let a district go unrepresented for a term because legislators wanna play the "well ackshually" game, and the voters will sort that shit right out.
No thanks. We don't want elected officials cheating their way into illegal filibusters explicitly prohibited by law.
That is not a functioning democracy. If the minority can simply refuse to participate, so no work can be done by either side.
And no, voters having the ability to wait (potentially) years to just vote them out in the next cycle does not make it a functioning democracy.
This. Everyone knows how a vote is supposed to work. If there are ten people, six of them vote for A and the other four leave, A wins.
But how do i know A didn't rig the elections? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The problem with that is it denies all of the people in that district their right to representation. It's not fair to punish people just because voters were dumb enough to elect someone who can't actually serve. The reasonable thing to do is ban unqualified candidates from the ballot. Otherwise it's like electing a dead person, they are going to have to hold a special election or appoint someone or do whatever the legal process is to fill the vacancy ASAP.
But isn't it the dumb voters being punished here? I kind of agree with OP
It's everyone in the district being punished, not just those who voted, and not just those who voted "dumb". That's not justice.
I'd rather have no representation than one of these bad faith assholes "representing" me.
Who but the courts rules on 14th amendment violations?
this isn't 14th amendment, it's oregon state law
The other major news story about courts deciding who can and cannot be on the ballot is regarding the 14th amendment. @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca was likely referring to that, and to @aelwero@lemmy.world's comment.
fair enough, ty
I've often wondered if this should be the punishment for failing to draw up constitutionally legal district maps. If a state can't figure out how to not gerrymander the heck out of itself, deny them represention for a term while they sort it out. Arguably the people elected under such maps don't reflect the true will of the people anyways
Does nobody proofread anything anymore? This amendment, well intended, sounds like it was written and distributed by a 6th grade civics class.
It was a ballot initiative for an amendment. It was presented directly to voters. It was written so that voters could understand it.
oof, maybe not meant to be a burn, but that was a burn for sure
Not really, the average literacy rate in the U.S is ~7th grade. This isn't just words, this is the ability to comprehend, remember, and critically think about what is read. Which is on average that of a 12 year old...
Take 100 people and HALF of them are more literate than a educationally average 12 year old, the rest are LESS literate. That's half of your voters...
It's a sad state of the U.S.
What is "what happens when you choose to economically disadvantage schooling because you're mad about desegregation and the institution of a federal department of education", Alex?
So you would rather stuff that's being put up to a vote be worded in a way that ambiguous? You want people to be able to slip in random new laws because it's so difficult to read? How about it's not only super difficult to read, but it was alson7 pages long? That's how you'd rather vote?
What's weird is that the wording on the ballot appears clear. How did this altered wording get into the constitution? That wording wasn't voted on, so how can different wording legal?