Mastodon thinks Lemmy’s privacy stinks. What say you?

elbowmacaroni@beehaw.org to Technology@beehaw.org – 160 points –
Warning: Lemmy doesn't care about your privacy, everything is tracked and stored forever, even if you delete it
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Federated services have always had privacy issues but I expected Lemmy would have the fewest, but it's visibly worse for privacy than even Reddit.

  • Deleted comments remain on the server but hidden to non-admins, the username remains visible
  • Deleted account usernames remain visible too
  • Anything remains visible on federated servers!
  • When you delete your account, media does not get deleted on any server
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I’m basing what I have said off of work I have done with attorneys in similar situations. I don’t know evidentiary law, but I wouldn’t want to be accused of destroying evidence of something. But my question stands. Why should someone who has doxed someone get away with it by deleting their account? How is that ethical?

Why should someone who has doxed someone get away with it by deleting their account?

Doxxing is not illegal in many places - the US included. Cyberstalking and harassment may be illegal, depending on location. That's beside the point, but this is an extremely specific example.

Ultimately users should, in my opinion, be in control of their data. Tildes, for example, preserves deleted comments for (I think) 30 days and then permanently removes them. It seems like that approach is a compromise that would work for your situation while still respecting privacy long term.

So the key thing here is, "are you aware that the data is part of a legal proceeding or crime?"

If no, deleting it as part of normal operations is perfectly legal. There are plenty of VPNs which do not log user information, and will produce for the authorities all of the logs they retain (i.e. an empty log file).

From an ethical standpoint, keeping peoples' data which they want removed, against their wishes, based on the hypothetical that at some point someone might do something wrong, is by far the less ethical route.

"You might do something bad, so I'm going to keep all your data whether you like it or not!" <- the bad thing

It's cute how you think I'm going to take legal advice from you. You do you, have a nice evening.