MAGA rages over report Pentagon exempting Ukraine from government shutdown

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MAGA rages over report Pentagon exempting Ukraine from government shutdown
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You just want unconditional surrender from Russia, no negotiations and no concessions and no conditions

Your phrasing here is extremely telling. Russia surrendering???? They are the aggressor and they had no right to invade and genocide. You want an unconditional SURRENDER from Ukraine. I want Russia to stop INVADING and GO HOME.

Okay so you're just lying now. I don't want Ukraine to surrender, I want a peace deal. That means both sides negotiate to find a compromise. Russia's invasion was unjustified and strategically pretty stupid, but that doesn't mean we just wage an eternal forever war until Russia collapses into civil war or everyone in Ukraine is dead.

Is all peace just surrender to you?

no, we kick Russia's ass until they leave Ukraine. if that means putin loses face and gets deposed, well that's an internal Russian matter

The goal isn't to make Russia leave Ukraine, it's to keep them embroiled in conflict as long as possible to weaken Russia. That's why the amount of aid will never actually be enough for Ukraine to win; just enough to never lose.