Killing Community

Zigabyte@beehaw.org to Technology@beehaw.org – 13 points –
marginalia.nu

Great writing on the current Reddit saga. The author put down in words a lot of things in my mind I couldn't find the right words.

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How is community engagement better in a interconnected forum compared to a single forum consisting of all the participants? I'm asking out of ignorance

How would cross community discussions take place?

@honeyed_coffee For the reasons the OP mentioned. Familiar faces, being recognized in a community instead of being just today's main character.

In a single large forum most participants are silent, as they must be or it'd be a cacophony. Many are silent out of worry that they need to say something good enough to impress a hundred thousand people, not just something interesting to their local 100 friends.

On Fediverse things escape their local instances and their local forum-groups by boosts mostly.

@Zigabyte

As karma mattered more you lost a whole subset of regular posters that felt kamra took a relaxing pastime and made it into a job. Karma was used as a kind of stopgap for the issue of managing the cacophony in a busy thread, which made the points matter even more and caused even more people to disengage.

Personally, I found that karma led to self-censorship of any idea that remotely deviated from the group consensus.

Can you think of alternatives to voting, though? Sorting always requires some curating system that isn't random but I can't think of any that would be robust to group consensus

I don’t think user voting in of itself is a problem. It’s the consequences of large negative voting that causes the real problems. In Reddit, a single unpopular comment on a popular subreddit could send a casual Redditor into negative karma which effectively shadowbans them from Reddit. As a result, you see people deleting their comments to stop the bleeding. Controversial opinions are punished severely.

to start with, ive had more vibrant, long and interesting conversations more often on a site of 300-3,000 as opposed to a sub with millions.

I can imagine small communities spread across. By virtue of its size, there are high chances of topics staying relevant too.

I am concerned about small bubbles though. Discussions in single instances that never bounce across to similar communities in other instances but I suppose that's putting the cart before the horse

realistically the same thing happens on reddit, any sub not big enough is very unlikely to ever be featured on the home page, and this is not always a bad thing, some communities are not interested in being featured, some are brigaded as a prize.

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