Respect for the dead is not just using them to conveniently push a narrative.
When the IDF murder civilians, and they do ti pretty regularly, that needs to be recognized. When others do it, that needs to be recognized too.
Yes, and there's a rather long history of independent investigations recognizing war crimes on both sides of this particular conflict over the last two decades.
But I'm sorry - the notion that different sides of the conflict will not use the dead or reports of abuses from the other side as spin fodder for their own political objectives is incredibly naive or idealistic.
Israel's government is using the dead of Oct 7th to try and spin justification for objectives they've had since well before it, much like the US used 9/11 to try and spin justification for enriching Haliburton and going after Saddam. And Hamas/Iran are using the dead in Palestine to try and spin their own longstanding objectives much like how ISIL or the Taliban used the loss of life and displacement under US invasion to justify their own propaganda.
Should the dead be used to further dystopian state objectives? No, of course not.
But it's been that way for thousands of years, and it's not going to change anytime soon.
Where did i once claim that Israel was not applying spin or using the dead to advance their own agenda?
Where did I claim you had?
But I'm sorry - the notion that different sides of the conflict will not use the dead or reports of abuses from the other side as spin fodder for their own political objectives is incredibly naive or idealistic.
Unless your argument is that it is justified for Islamic terrorists to attack a hospital and blame Israel, then there.
Regardless of the murderers, civilians deserve an investigation into their murders rather than a hand waving and blaming of the other team.
No, that has nothing to do with a 'sides' argument, and I'm still not really seeing how you think it is one. In fact, when I wrote that I wasn't entirely sure which side if any you were trying to represent with your comments, so the fact you thought it was a sided comment is hilarious.
My point is that it's naive to think that each side isn't going to propagandize their dead.
Regardless of the murderers, civilians deserve an investigation into their murders rather than a hand waving and blaming of the other team.
Mmmhmm. And how often do comprehensive independent investigations into war crimes occur during hostilities versus after?
Evidence is gathered during but the investigation and review of the evidence in its totality occurs after.
Your hand wringing would hold more weight if we hadn't already had multiple investigations into Israel-Palestine conflicts and war crimes by this point.
Got it. Because people didn't care about past civilian casualties, these civilians are more useful as tools to raise awareness.
Also: We literally had a comprehensive investigation by multiple countries and independent third parties for the atrocity we are discussing so... It is just that media outlets (some state funded...) jumped the gun to immediately use those civilian casualties to their advantage. Rather than wait a few hours for preliminary investigations.
Respect for the dead is not just using them to conveniently push a narrative.
When the IDF murder civilians, and they do ti pretty regularly, that needs to be recognized. When others do it, that needs to be recognized too.
Yes, and there's a rather long history of independent investigations recognizing war crimes on both sides of this particular conflict over the last two decades.
But I'm sorry - the notion that different sides of the conflict will not use the dead or reports of abuses from the other side as spin fodder for their own political objectives is incredibly naive or idealistic.
Israel's government is using the dead of Oct 7th to try and spin justification for objectives they've had since well before it, much like the US used 9/11 to try and spin justification for enriching Haliburton and going after Saddam. And Hamas/Iran are using the dead in Palestine to try and spin their own longstanding objectives much like how ISIL or the Taliban used the loss of life and displacement under US invasion to justify their own propaganda.
Should the dead be used to further dystopian state objectives? No, of course not.
But it's been that way for thousands of years, and it's not going to change anytime soon.
Where did i once claim that Israel was not applying spin or using the dead to advance their own agenda?
Where did I claim you had?
Unless your argument is that it is justified for Islamic terrorists to attack a hospital and blame Israel, then there.
Regardless of the murderers, civilians deserve an investigation into their murders rather than a hand waving and blaming of the other team.
No, that has nothing to do with a 'sides' argument, and I'm still not really seeing how you think it is one. In fact, when I wrote that I wasn't entirely sure which side if any you were trying to represent with your comments, so the fact you thought it was a sided comment is hilarious.
My point is that it's naive to think that each side isn't going to propagandize their dead.
Mmmhmm. And how often do comprehensive independent investigations into war crimes occur during hostilities versus after?
Evidence is gathered during but the investigation and review of the evidence in its totality occurs after.
Your hand wringing would hold more weight if we hadn't already had multiple investigations into Israel-Palestine conflicts and war crimes by this point.
Got it. Because people didn't care about past civilian casualties, these civilians are more useful as tools to raise awareness.
Also: We literally had a comprehensive investigation by multiple countries and independent third parties for the atrocity we are discussing so... It is just that media outlets (some state funded...) jumped the gun to immediately use those civilian casualties to their advantage. Rather than wait a few hours for preliminary investigations.