Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC

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Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC

The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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100%, but the hardness of a cricket ball doesn't change with who's using it. A really really hard ball moving really really fast is still a really really hard ball moving really really fast, so it's not like there's some significant difference in danger posed. And even if there was such a big danger posed by someone assigned-male-at-birth playing cricket, why would it still be perfectly fine for men's cricket?

Because scientific males have significant anatomical differences than scientific females, which results in the former having dramatically increased strength and endurance. It doesn't take that much explanation to understand why it might be bad to have an athlete hurling what are essentially rocks at 80+ mph towards batters who are lacking sufficient muscle fibers to respond effectively and, especially towards the end of a match, are far more likely to be exhausted.

You're replying to a comment chain saying that it's for their safety and you're not actually discussing that claims by saying they're likely to be exhausted. The damage a ball traveling that fast can do is similar to men and women, I would imagine, and in the men's league that risk is obviously not something that prevents the game from being played.

you're not actually discussing that claims by saying they're likely to be exhausted.

Just so I'm understanding this right, you're saying that exhaustion doesn't affect safety? I think it absolutely does.

in the men's league that risk is obviously not something that prevents the game from being played.

Because they don't exhaust as easily.

Again, we're talking about throwing "essentially rocks" at speeds that are insanely fast no matter who's doing the throwing. When you're talking hard objects being thrown at such high speeds towards people in protective gear, the difference in danger (even if that danger is significant) is going to be minimal. If women "are far more likely to be exhausted" at the end of a match, they're more susceptible to really bad injuries from any cricket ball moving at such a high speed. A trans woman throwing the ball isn't going to pose much more risk, definitely not enough for safety to be a factor in banning trans women from women's cricket.

I think there's definitely a discussion to be had in regards to what's fair and how we approach fairness and sports in a world that's accepting of trans people. However, the moment you go out and pretend that there's some safety risk posed by trans women in sports, you unjustifiably paint them as threats to cis women, and that's completely unacceptable.

I think you're conflating the severity of being hit with a thrown ball with the frequency of being hit with it. I agree that getting smacked with a rock going 80 mph vs. 60 mph both carry a significant risk of harm, even in protective gear. My point is that women are more likely to be unable to effectively respond to those faster pitches, particularly towards the end of a match, and thus are exposed to a greater frequency of being hit by the ball and injured.

If you have ever been in a batting cage, you should understand how much more difficult it becomes to read a ball with even a 5-10 mph increase in speed. Not only do biological women lack the same muscle and skeletal composition that allows men to respond quickly in dodging or turning into a misguided pitch, but they also exhaust quicker and thus are more likely to be suffer from a delayed neurological response in doing the initial mental read of the ball's path. If you suddenly turn the speed of those pitches up by a third, you're increasing the likelihood that those women batters will be hit, regardless of whether the injury is likely to be the same.

Hmm, fair point. I can see how increased ball velocity and decreased reaction speed could make an injury more likely. Nevertheless, I still have these doubts:

How much of a difference actually is there in reaction speed? I have a hard time believing that there's enough of a difference for a biological female be unable to dodge a throw where a biological male would.
Going with the previous question, is this alleged difference in exhaustion actually observed to a great extent among professional cricket players?
Are these safety factors really significant as to be part of a reason to ban transgender players? If a cis woman came around that bowled significantly faster than other cis women in the sport, would it be reasonable to want them banned from the sport or to portray them as a threat to other players?

Unless there really is some big safety concern, still seems absurd to ban people on these metrics and tell people that you're protecting the other players by doing it. With the evidence I'm aware of, it still seems minimal to me, and we've seen BS reasoning for banning trans women in other women's competitions (e.g., chess). While I can't say with confidence that there's no decent argument in support of a ban, I still don't think safety is part of it.

I think you're right the most of the argument for the ban relates to fairness, and I frankly doubt that there have been any sort of safety studies done in cricket that would speak to my point.