That said, from what I've heard the big problem is the disparity of build quality. Some Tesla's (like possibly yours) are built amazing. Some others are put together like shit.
Which is basically true for every brand, not only Tesla.
Every brand isn't evangelized in the same way the cult of Elon pushed their golden goose. They're run of the mill or worse than industry averages.
Couple this with the ridiculous price point on the vehicles and you have apple cars so to that point I can understand the delusional obsession with the brand and supporting it
Every brand isn’t evangelized in the same way the cult of Elon pushed their golden goose.
Maybe, but ask an Alfa Romeo fans about the brand... they are way worse than the Tesla fans... 😉
They’re run of the mill or worse than industry averages.
Look, I can tell way worse things about Renault if I look at how my car came out, so ? And I would concede that Tesla is pretty new to mass producted cars. During the years I found many quality problems also with brand that are even more evangelized and have a way longer history.
Couple this with the ridiculous price point on the vehicles and you have apple cars so to that point I can understand the delusional obsession with the brand and supporting it
In Italy, a couple of models (Y and 3) are pretty much aligned with other brand's cars of the same category, so they don't seems to be that expensive. Or the other brands are too expensive.
At least I provided some kind of evidence, even if it’s an anecdote. You made a generalization with absolutely no evidence.
That’s fine if there’s a disparity but it’s not as common as your statement makes it seem.
Personal experience is not scientific or journalistic fact. As for providing evidence Google it. There's lots of reputable sites that will tell you their build quality is inconsistent AF as well as they intentionally bully owners to accept shit.
Personal experience is still evidence. It's not objective evidence, which normally would be a problem, but you haven't provided any whatsoever. "Google it" doesn't serve as a replacement for it, either.
I'll keep going if you need me to do your research for you. Not really because not my job to educate you but still.
None of those say what you claimed.
Your first Lemmy link just links to an article that says 10 to 20 thousand vehicles. Considering they’ve sold millions, their rates are actually below lots of other manufacturers by volume. They’re not the best by any stretch but they are far from the worst, as you stated.
The 2nd is the same - “tens of thousands”. That means less than 1% of their cars sold.
The last link has nothing to do with build quality and its source is a LendingTree article based on insurance data that is specious. Their “safest” cars are vehicles that haven’t been produced in over 10 years. They clearly have issues with their data and even have a disclaimer at the top of the source.
If you’re going to be a condescending ass, at least get your information straight instead of falling right into the sensationalist bs that you’re complaining about.
Anything to avoid doing your own research eh? Will happily "fact check" my shit but God forbid you do your own work? I may be a condescending ass but at least my head isn't up one.
It's clear I won't find anything outside of Elon telling you they're crap for you to believe but by all means Consumer Reports and JD Power having them run of the mill or worse surely can't be legit.
Oh wait. Elon has stated before their quality issues are shit. Of course you'll dismiss it because "hurr durr it was years ago"
I have done my own research and I own a Model 3. Your head clearly is up your ass because nothing that you've provided here disproves what I said - that the issues you're discussing make up less than 1% of the cars they've sold. On top of that, Consumer Reports ranks the Model 3 as one of their top vehicles for build and reliability. The Model 3 lost that score in 2019 for less than a year because there were build issues with a small percentage of the cars being produced.
I'm not dismissing that they had a QC issues with a small amount of the cars. I never did dismiss that. I'm simply acknowledging that you're making it out to be a far bigger issue than it actually was and their actual numbers are better than nearly every car maker out there for the number of vehicles they've sold (and in such a short period of time).
If you're going to claim people have their heads up their asses, you'd need to pull yours out first to actually be able to see anything. On top of that, I don't like Elon. So I don't know why him saying anything would sway me in one direction or another considering he's a serial liar.
Ah yes a personal anecdote is 100% more valid.
That said, from what I've heard the big problem is the disparity of build quality. Some Tesla's (like possibly yours) are built amazing. Some others are put together like shit.
Which is basically true for every brand, not only Tesla.
Every brand isn't evangelized in the same way the cult of Elon pushed their golden goose. They're run of the mill or worse than industry averages.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs
Couple this with the ridiculous price point on the vehicles and you have apple cars so to that point I can understand the delusional obsession with the brand and supporting it
Maybe, but ask an Alfa Romeo fans about the brand... they are way worse than the Tesla fans... 😉
Look, I can tell way worse things about Renault if I look at how my car came out, so ? And I would concede that Tesla is pretty new to mass producted cars. During the years I found many quality problems also with brand that are even more evangelized and have a way longer history.
In Italy, a couple of models (Y and 3) are pretty much aligned with other brand's cars of the same category, so they don't seems to be that expensive. Or the other brands are too expensive.
At least I provided some kind of evidence, even if it’s an anecdote. You made a generalization with absolutely no evidence.
That’s fine if there’s a disparity but it’s not as common as your statement makes it seem.
Personal experience is not scientific or journalistic fact. As for providing evidence Google it. There's lots of reputable sites that will tell you their build quality is inconsistent AF as well as they intentionally bully owners to accept shit.
Personal experience is still evidence. It's not objective evidence, which normally would be a problem, but you haven't provided any whatsoever. "Google it" doesn't serve as a replacement for it, either.
https://lemmy.ca/comment/5795499
Also this -
https://lemmy.nz/post/4638562
Also this -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/amp/
I'll keep going if you need me to do your research for you. Not really because not my job to educate you but still.
None of those say what you claimed.
Your first Lemmy link just links to an article that says 10 to 20 thousand vehicles. Considering they’ve sold millions, their rates are actually below lots of other manufacturers by volume. They’re not the best by any stretch but they are far from the worst, as you stated.
The 2nd is the same - “tens of thousands”. That means less than 1% of their cars sold.
The last link has nothing to do with build quality and its source is a LendingTree article based on insurance data that is specious. Their “safest” cars are vehicles that haven’t been produced in over 10 years. They clearly have issues with their data and even have a disclaimer at the top of the source.
If you’re going to be a condescending ass, at least get your information straight instead of falling right into the sensationalist bs that you’re complaining about.
Anything to avoid doing your own research eh? Will happily "fact check" my shit but God forbid you do your own work? I may be a condescending ass but at least my head isn't up one.
It's clear I won't find anything outside of Elon telling you they're crap for you to believe but by all means Consumer Reports and JD Power having them run of the mill or worse surely can't be legit.
Oh wait. Elon has stated before their quality issues are shit. Of course you'll dismiss it because "hurr durr it was years ago"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/business/elon-musk-tesla-quality-problems/index.html
Best of luck and enjoy your Tesla!
I have done my own research and I own a Model 3. Your head clearly is up your ass because nothing that you've provided here disproves what I said - that the issues you're discussing make up less than 1% of the cars they've sold. On top of that, Consumer Reports ranks the Model 3 as one of their top vehicles for build and reliability. The Model 3 lost that score in 2019 for less than a year because there were build issues with a small percentage of the cars being produced.
I'm not dismissing that they had a QC issues with a small amount of the cars. I never did dismiss that. I'm simply acknowledging that you're making it out to be a far bigger issue than it actually was and their actual numbers are better than nearly every car maker out there for the number of vehicles they've sold (and in such a short period of time).
If you're going to claim people have their heads up their asses, you'd need to pull yours out first to actually be able to see anything. On top of that, I don't like Elon. So I don't know why him saying anything would sway me in one direction or another considering he's a serial liar.