You mention EEE and forgetting how it works in next paragraph.
Embrace - facebook joins fediverse, existing users rejoice because now the user base was added with threads users
Extend - facebook starts adding proprietary features to their product, many users start switching, because if they use threads.net they can have the new features AND still have access to the entire network
Extinguish - facebook comes to conclusion that there's not many users on fediverse anymore, and being compatible only holds them up, so they disconnect, suddenly it gets very silent on fediverse, some people will jump to threads.net, because their friends are there, others will quit completely eventually making the network even emptier
This exact thing happened with Jabber/XMPP and it was also realization that vast majority of people are not loyal to some ideals and will switch to whatever works for them. Companies absolutely hate to have product they can't fully control.
I'm so tired of this argument. I keep hearing you guys repeating this again and again and again and again and again and it never makes sense. You take way too many conclusions for granted of how it would play out. EEE is not a cursed mantra of inevitable destruction, it's a tactic which relies on public trends, and we are not trend chasers, we are niche users.
Extend - facebook starts adding proprietary features to their product, many users start switching, because if they use threads.net they can have the new features AND still have access to the entire network
WHY?
Would YOU really jump into Threads?
Who is this person that you imagine that dropped Facebook and Twitter, but will jump right back as soon as they so much as see it again.
Such a person wouldn't even be here to begin with, They would already be there.
Extinguish - facebook comes to conclusion that there’s not many users on fediverse anymore, and being compatible only holds them up, so they disconnect, suddenly it gets very silent on fediverse, some people will jump to threads.net, because their friends are there, others will quit completely eventually making the network even emptier
What makes you guys so sure if a shutdown comes everyone will choose to go to Threads?
Because they got more content? Because there are more users?
Guess what, that's HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW. With this logic, how do you even explain that we are here right now? Just because we apparently don't get a single whiff of THE BIGGEST SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM IN THE WORLD?
It does not make sense.
Do you have so little confidence on what we have here? That nothing we offer could compare?
That's where I disagree the most. I believe many people would like the experience they could have in the Fediverse, yet, unlike Facebook, it isn't something widely known or advertised.
This exact thing happened with Jabber/XMPP and it was also realization that vast majority of people are not loyal to some ideals and will switch to whatever works for them.
Jabber is not a community, it's a communication tool. A communication tool is only fit to purpose if it allows people to communicate with those they want to. Social Media is about community. There is appeal in connecting with like minded people even if not literally everyone you know is there.
And yeah, most people aren't loyal to social media either. WE ARE NOT MOST PEOPLE. We are the people who ALREADY CHOSE ideals over convenience. Or, more cynically, functionality. Because Meta's inscrutable algorithms suck for anyone wishing to tailor their own experience, which is why I doubt they can even meaningfully Expand to begin with.
I would bet that if such integration came and went away, the Fediverse will come out of it bolstered. I don't doubt Facebook would try EEE, but what they stand to gain is insignificant and very debatable, and what we stand to gain is enormous.
Don't take their complete takeover as granted. If things played out as they intended so easily we would all be on the Metaverse paying for digital replicas of street art or some other other unexplicable bulshit.
It's silly, you're just thinking that somehow this time will be different.
it’s a tactic which relies on public trends, and we are not trend chasers, we are niche users.
Maybe you are, but most people aren't. With XMPP, I was similar, running my own server. I didn't jump to GTalk, but it still ended up with me shutting it down after I ended up to be the only person on my rooster.
WHY?
Would YOU really jump into Threads?
I don't, but I'm not the most people. I didn't jump with XMPP, but it still killed it for me.
Who is this person that you imagine that dropped Facebook and Twitter, but will jump right back as soon as they so much as see it again.
Such a person wouldn’t even be here to begin with, They would already be there.
I think you believe that everyone on fediverse is for the same reason as you are. Though I even doubt that, it's ironic, since you're here for 9 months, so you arrived here because of the API change. Don't you think if it was about principle you would be here much earlier than that? Add to it that you're still quite active on reddit, so you're lying to yourself and (at least from the outside) it looks like likely you would be one of those people.
First of all, gross. Cut it out with the stalker bulshit.
Second of all, you are not making the point you think you are. You just found out that my oh-so-unprincipled self posts in other places. Well, if I was "those people" you speak of, I wouldn't be here. Isn't that your whole point? That people will quit it as soon as anything vaguely more popular comes by? Now I ask, sherlock, what am I doing here?
Maybe you didn't pay much attention while you were combing over some random stranger's whole internet presence, but I literally spelled it out, I wish this place to grow so that communities that I like take root here instead of being non-existent or ghost towns. But since they didn't yet, I hang around in places where they do exist also.
You are right about one thing, people don't have allegiance to any platform. Which also means I can be in multiple places at once. You might have gotten that if you weren't so engrossed feeling lemmier-than-thou.
It’s silly, you’re just thinking that somehow this time will be different.
Would YOU really jump into Threads?
I don’t, but I’m not the most people.
And so are most people who are here, that's the difference. The people who want to be on Facebook, stay on Facebook. How hard can you slam your face on the point and still miss it?
But hey, if you want to wallow in paranoia I'm gonna stop sweating it, because trying to push back against it only got some random creep sniffing through my stuff.
You mention EEE and forgetting how it works in next paragraph.
This exact thing happened with Jabber/XMPP and it was also realization that vast majority of people are not loyal to some ideals and will switch to whatever works for them. Companies absolutely hate to have product they can't fully control.
I'm so tired of this argument. I keep hearing you guys repeating this again and again and again and again and again and it never makes sense. You take way too many conclusions for granted of how it would play out. EEE is not a cursed mantra of inevitable destruction, it's a tactic which relies on public trends, and we are not trend chasers, we are niche users.
WHY?
Would YOU really jump into Threads?
Who is this person that you imagine that dropped Facebook and Twitter, but will jump right back as soon as they so much as see it again.
Such a person wouldn't even be here to begin with, They would already be there.
What makes you guys so sure if a shutdown comes everyone will choose to go to Threads?
Because they got more content? Because there are more users?
Guess what, that's HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW. With this logic, how do you even explain that we are here right now? Just because we apparently don't get a single whiff of THE BIGGEST SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM IN THE WORLD?
It does not make sense.
Do you have so little confidence on what we have here? That nothing we offer could compare?
That's where I disagree the most. I believe many people would like the experience they could have in the Fediverse, yet, unlike Facebook, it isn't something widely known or advertised.
Jabber is not a community, it's a communication tool. A communication tool is only fit to purpose if it allows people to communicate with those they want to. Social Media is about community. There is appeal in connecting with like minded people even if not literally everyone you know is there.
And yeah, most people aren't loyal to social media either. WE ARE NOT MOST PEOPLE. We are the people who ALREADY CHOSE ideals over convenience. Or, more cynically, functionality. Because Meta's inscrutable algorithms suck for anyone wishing to tailor their own experience, which is why I doubt they can even meaningfully Expand to begin with.
I would bet that if such integration came and went away, the Fediverse will come out of it bolstered. I don't doubt Facebook would try EEE, but what they stand to gain is insignificant and very debatable, and what we stand to gain is enormous.
Don't take their complete takeover as granted. If things played out as they intended so easily we would all be on the Metaverse paying for digital replicas of street art or some other other unexplicable bulshit.
It's silly, you're just thinking that somehow this time will be different.
Maybe you are, but most people aren't. With XMPP, I was similar, running my own server. I didn't jump to GTalk, but it still ended up with me shutting it down after I ended up to be the only person on my rooster.
I don't, but I'm not the most people. I didn't jump with XMPP, but it still killed it for me.
I think you believe that everyone on fediverse is for the same reason as you are. Though I even doubt that, it's ironic, since you're here for 9 months, so you arrived here because of the API change. Don't you think if it was about principle you would be here much earlier than that? Add to it that you're still quite active on reddit, so you're lying to yourself and (at least from the outside) it looks like likely you would be one of those people.
First of all, gross. Cut it out with the stalker bulshit.
Second of all, you are not making the point you think you are. You just found out that my oh-so-unprincipled self posts in other places. Well, if I was "those people" you speak of, I wouldn't be here. Isn't that your whole point? That people will quit it as soon as anything vaguely more popular comes by? Now I ask, sherlock, what am I doing here?
Maybe you didn't pay much attention while you were combing over some random stranger's whole internet presence, but I literally spelled it out, I wish this place to grow so that communities that I like take root here instead of being non-existent or ghost towns. But since they didn't yet, I hang around in places where they do exist also.
You are right about one thing, people don't have allegiance to any platform. Which also means I can be in multiple places at once. You might have gotten that if you weren't so engrossed feeling lemmier-than-thou.
And so are most people who are here, that's the difference. The people who want to be on Facebook, stay on Facebook. How hard can you slam your face on the point and still miss it?
But hey, if you want to wallow in paranoia I'm gonna stop sweating it, because trying to push back against it only got some random creep sniffing through my stuff.