Despite me very explicitly and clearly saying that companies have the lions share of the responsibility
the only one denying responsibility here is you.
Even the single most offending business can claim only a small percent of the total damage.
I’ve been talking about how we are all responsible
if every individual makes the change, it would be massive.
Uh huh.
You need to convince yourself that your actions have no affect
Damn this accumulated body of evidence and understanding of causality. If only I had been blessed with sweet ignorance and endless optimism.
No one is denying it is a corporate problem too, they have the lions share of it;
I’m not defending these companies
And you're trying to argue that i didn't say this.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will turn to outright lying in order to avoid admitting that they might be wrong.
If only I had been blessed with sweet ignorance and endless optimism.
Nah, just ignorance and endless dishonesty.
And you’re trying to argue that i didn’t say this.
I'm pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
And that's been the name of this game since forever. The bait and switch of "Everyone needs to pitch in!" and "Its all on your shoulders, we can't afford to do anything more".
Nah, just ignorance and endless dishonesty.
Businesses screaming "Stop me before I kill again!" and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
I’m pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
None of those contradicts that. Is this going to be the pattern? Just throwing dishonesty upon lies instead of just admitting you were wrong?
The bait and switch of “Everyone needs to pitch in!” and “Its all on your shoulders, we can’t afford to do anything more”.
No one here is baiting and switching anything. This is a desperate strawman.
Businesses screaming “Stop me before I kill again!” and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
This is funny. Using this context, your argument is "well businesses kill a lot more people than I do, so the few bodies i'm racking up I'm not responsible for." It's you blaming businesses for the bodies you're needlessly piling up.
Im pointing at all of our piles and saying "look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours while we fight to decrease theirs." You're arguing that your pile does not count because it's small.
m pointing at all of our piles and saying “look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours
This has no impact on a problem at the scale of industry.
If we were talking about picking up litter at the park, sure. But when we're discussing the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, there is no solution that isn't systematic.
You’re arguing that your pile does not count
It functionally does not. I can't pollute at the scale necessary for anyone to notice, individually.
And zeroing my pollution out does nothing to mitigate the problem.
Even at the scale of city blocks - hundreds of people - there's no impact.
The only solution is systematic.
You're making my argument for me.
You're effectively arguing that there is no point in picking up your litter at the park because there is a pacific garbage patch...and man the garbage can is all the way on the other side! It's like a full time job to throw away my litter! Me throwing away my litter is so tiny in the grand scheme of things, so it's not my fault if I just toss it on the ground.
We both agree major changes need to happen. But every time you leave your litter out, you're contributing to the problem as well and shoulder some responsibility. It's not like throwing out your litter precludes you from pushing for systemic changes. It's just something you can do, right now, to minimize your contribution to it.
And buying from places like I suggest is even more useful because it helps them thrive and spread. While I don't see how throwing away your litter really helps it spread.
You’re effectively arguing that there is no point in picking up your litter at the park
I said the exact opposite
No you're main argument is effectively arguing that. Or I should say it's the equivalent argument.
That strawman is taking one hell of a beating.
It's not a strawman, it's an analogy; I'm not saying this is the argument you are making, but the equivalent of the argument you are making.
Although, I have to laugh at the fact that you claimed I said the exact opposite of what I literally and explicitly stated, and now are all up in arms over an analogy as a "strawman." lol
I’m not saying this is the argument you are making, but the equivalent of the argument you are making.
When you reverse an argument and claim it is equivalent, you are either extremely illogical or dishonest.
I have to laugh
Perhaps you're experiencing some kind of mania.
When you reverse an argument and claim it is equivalent, you are either extremely illogical or dishonest.
Okay, I get it. You realize your position is no longer defensible and lying is all you've got now.
Uh huh.
Damn this accumulated body of evidence and understanding of causality. If only I had been blessed with sweet ignorance and endless optimism.
And you're trying to argue that i didn't say this.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will turn to outright lying in order to avoid admitting that they might be wrong.
Nah, just ignorance and endless dishonesty.
I'm pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
And that's been the name of this game since forever. The bait and switch of "Everyone needs to pitch in!" and "Its all on your shoulders, we can't afford to do anything more".
Businesses screaming "Stop me before I kill again!" and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
None of those contradicts that. Is this going to be the pattern? Just throwing dishonesty upon lies instead of just admitting you were wrong?
No one here is baiting and switching anything. This is a desperate strawman.
This is funny. Using this context, your argument is "well businesses kill a lot more people than I do, so the few bodies i'm racking up I'm not responsible for." It's you blaming businesses for the bodies you're needlessly piling up.
Im pointing at all of our piles and saying "look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours while we fight to decrease theirs." You're arguing that your pile does not count because it's small.
This has no impact on a problem at the scale of industry.
If we were talking about picking up litter at the park, sure. But when we're discussing the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, there is no solution that isn't systematic.
It functionally does not. I can't pollute at the scale necessary for anyone to notice, individually.
And zeroing my pollution out does nothing to mitigate the problem.
Even at the scale of city blocks - hundreds of people - there's no impact.
The only solution is systematic.
You're making my argument for me.
You're effectively arguing that there is no point in picking up your litter at the park because there is a pacific garbage patch...and man the garbage can is all the way on the other side! It's like a full time job to throw away my litter! Me throwing away my litter is so tiny in the grand scheme of things, so it's not my fault if I just toss it on the ground.
We both agree major changes need to happen. But every time you leave your litter out, you're contributing to the problem as well and shoulder some responsibility. It's not like throwing out your litter precludes you from pushing for systemic changes. It's just something you can do, right now, to minimize your contribution to it.
And buying from places like I suggest is even more useful because it helps them thrive and spread. While I don't see how throwing away your litter really helps it spread.
I said the exact opposite
No you're main argument is effectively arguing that. Or I should say it's the equivalent argument.
That strawman is taking one hell of a beating.
It's not a strawman, it's an analogy; I'm not saying this is the argument you are making, but the equivalent of the argument you are making.
Although, I have to laugh at the fact that you claimed I said the exact opposite of what I literally and explicitly stated, and now are all up in arms over an analogy as a "strawman." lol
When you reverse an argument and claim it is equivalent, you are either extremely illogical or dishonest.
Perhaps you're experiencing some kind of mania.
Okay, I get it. You realize your position is no longer defensible and lying is all you've got now.
Take care.