I'm with you that there is no publicly available proof of non-human intelligence. And I agree that the testimony of congresspeople isn't exactly the best way to ascertain whether something is true.
But I'm not claiming that non-human intelligences are here, I'm merely answering the question posted by the OP: the allegations made by Grusch and other whistleblowers are being investigated by Congress, and that they have shared with Congress testable evidence that has not been made public. That includes program names, names of the people in charge of those programs and the location of some of those retrieved craft.
Everything else is our personal opinion, strongly as we may feel about it. I personally think it is worth investigating these allegations. If the witnesses have lied to Congress under oath, they need to suffer the consequences. But if they haven't... Well.
I personally think it is worth investigating these allegations
And you hit the nail on the head about why an elected representative won't say one way or the other unless it's objectively proven or shown to be false - anything else doesn't need a response. Further any rep who does claim the matter to have been solved, one way or the other, only opens themselves up to criticism for something they probably didn't get into politics for in the first place.
When scientists and experts (plural) start getting involved then it's interesting however, imo, your focus on government being the ultimate truth-finder is flawed
Look at this post: respectful comments answering the question and offering objectively verifiable data are downvoted to hell, while comments laughing at the whole subject in a few words are heavily upvoted. The stigma is massive, and yet the subject continues to get traction in both parties in the US Congress, with several bills having passed and further in the pipeline. Perhaps we should consider the possibility that there are some things that we the public don't know about it.
your focus on government being the ultimate truth-finder is flawed
Oh, no. What I believe is that certain institutions within our governments are the ultimate truth-keepers, because they have the means to be. Look for example at how little the public is allowed to know about national defense (e.g. the design and capabilities of submarines).
I'm just seeing you agree in different words?
If government is the only one with the knowledge then it can never be proven to those who are properly skeptical
If the elected Congress is able to rat out these alleged secret programs and brings them back under the standard Congressional oversight, then at least you have the possibility of some information being made public.
I don't know about you, but if there is indeed a non-human intelligence occasionally visiting Earth, I would like to know, even if details about e.g. their technology aren't made public.
And if all there is to it is some high-ranking officials making stories up and lying to Congress, I also would want them to be put behind bars for wasting the time of our elected representatives.
Yes dude (or dudette) exactly what I'm saying is that it can't be proven one way or the other until "you have the possibility of some information being made public".
I am in complete agreement with you. At the same time, information will not be made public unless the public demands it. As long as the public remains docile and continues to laugh at everybody who suggests there may be something here, the public will be kept ignorant.
I'm with you that there is no publicly available proof of non-human intelligence. And I agree that the testimony of congresspeople isn't exactly the best way to ascertain whether something is true.
But I'm not claiming that non-human intelligences are here, I'm merely answering the question posted by the OP: the allegations made by Grusch and other whistleblowers are being investigated by Congress, and that they have shared with Congress testable evidence that has not been made public. That includes program names, names of the people in charge of those programs and the location of some of those retrieved craft.
Everything else is our personal opinion, strongly as we may feel about it. I personally think it is worth investigating these allegations. If the witnesses have lied to Congress under oath, they need to suffer the consequences. But if they haven't... Well.
And you hit the nail on the head about why an elected representative won't say one way or the other unless it's objectively proven or shown to be false - anything else doesn't need a response. Further any rep who does claim the matter to have been solved, one way or the other, only opens themselves up to criticism for something they probably didn't get into politics for in the first place.
When scientists and experts (plural) start getting involved then it's interesting however, imo, your focus on government being the ultimate truth-finder is flawed
Look at this post: respectful comments answering the question and offering objectively verifiable data are downvoted to hell, while comments laughing at the whole subject in a few words are heavily upvoted. The stigma is massive, and yet the subject continues to get traction in both parties in the US Congress, with several bills having passed and further in the pipeline. Perhaps we should consider the possibility that there are some things that we the public don't know about it.
Oh, no. What I believe is that certain institutions within our governments are the ultimate truth-keepers, because they have the means to be. Look for example at how little the public is allowed to know about national defense (e.g. the design and capabilities of submarines).
I'm just seeing you agree in different words?
If government is the only one with the knowledge then it can never be proven to those who are properly skeptical
If the elected Congress is able to rat out these alleged secret programs and brings them back under the standard Congressional oversight, then at least you have the possibility of some information being made public.
I don't know about you, but if there is indeed a non-human intelligence occasionally visiting Earth, I would like to know, even if details about e.g. their technology aren't made public.
And if all there is to it is some high-ranking officials making stories up and lying to Congress, I also would want them to be put behind bars for wasting the time of our elected representatives.
Yes dude (or dudette) exactly what I'm saying is that it can't be proven one way or the other until "you have the possibility of some information being made public".
I am in complete agreement with you. At the same time, information will not be made public unless the public demands it. As long as the public remains docile and continues to laugh at everybody who suggests there may be something here, the public will be kept ignorant.