Have you ever considered that the White House doesn't consider it a genocide? Just a normal war with an above average amount of war crimes.
If you understand that position (their stated position) every action they take makes perfect sense under that perspective.
Now you can argue if it's genocide or not, that's up to the ICJ but currently the whitehouse has more information than any of us and they don't consider it one.
Have you ever considered that the White House doesn't consider it a genocide?
No, I don't think Biden is that stupid.
Now you can argue if it's genocide or not,
No. It's genocide and anyone who says it isn't knows better and supports it.
that's up to the ICJ
Gloat harder that the US keeps abusing its veto to hobble any investigation into the genocide you refuse to call a genocide.
but currently the whitehouse has more information than any of us and they don't consider it one.
Oh ffs. You just trust them because you love how they're enabling genocide.
No, I don't think Biden is that stupid.
Every single press briefing where I've seen the word Genocide mentioned the Executive branch has firmly denied that description.
The official position of the Biden administration is that there's possibly war crimes, but no genocide.
No. It's genocide and anyone who says it isn't knows better and supports it.
And your standard is? Because if most of the world and literally every court is calling it not a genocide or "Idk yet if genocide" then I don't see how "Anyone who says it isn't knows better".
That sounds just like something you tell yourself to write off everyone critical as malicious genocide lovers.
Gloat harder that the US keeps abusing its veto to hobble any investigation into the genocide you refuse to call a genocide.
No country has a veto on ICJ decisions. What are you talking about? The U.S. isn't even a member of the ICJ.
Oh ffs. You just trust them because you love how they're enabling genocide.
Again assuming I love genocide or anything that's happening in Gaza, I don't, I just believe, as a member of a group that has been genocided before and could be again, that there needs to be a higher bar than 1 month and 10k casualties in to start screaming Genocide. There hasn't even been a single investigation yet and people are burning themselves alive because of the rhetoric.
War fucking sucks, and this may be many peoples first time seeing it, but this isn't special for war, kids die in bombings all the fucking time and it's depressing, but we didn't call the children bombed by Assad in Aleppo genocide victims, we didn't call the Chechens in Grozny genocide victims, we didn't call the Vietnamese in Hue genocide victims, we didn't call the Greeks expelled from Turkey and Turks expelled from Greece genocide victims.
Yet, as soon as it's Israel, it gets politically loaded, and people suddenly become bigger genocide experts than the ICJ.
Genocide denialism is all you are.
You can't just say "you're a genocide denier!!!!" When the world hasn't even agreed if a genocide is happening.
Watch me: You. Are. A. Genocide. Denier.
I'm not buying that you don't know it's a genocide.
First Biden, now me, what's your deal with not believing people when they say things?
Not everyone is arguing in bad faith.
If someone's telling me that what Netanyahu is doing isn't genocide, they're fulla shit. May as well say the sky is plaid.
Can you please point to me what makes you think it's explicitly genocidal and not just your run of the mill war crimes like happened in Chechnya, Syria, and now Ukraine?
This is genuinely my only problem calling it a genocide, the label doesn't exactly change much for me, I want Biden to do way more to end it, but I don't think he can change 70 years of Israeli government attitude towards Palestinians in a year.
Can you please point to me what makes you think it’s explicitly genocidal and not just your run of the mill war crimes like happened in Chechnya, Syria, and now Ukraine?
Sealioning for genocide. Neat. You'll get ONE reply from me in which I explain the fucking obvious. The UN has a definition for genocide: "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
Destroying the infrastructure of Gaza so that the wounded cannot get treatment. Targeting civilians. Targeting aid trucks. Preventing aid from getting in, essentially manufacturing a famine. And just so we're clear, "Putin is doing it so that makes it ok" is a shitty rationale for anything.
If you're going to ask for more granular evidence or dismiss what I'm saying, it won't surprise me at all. In any event, talking to genocide deniers disgusts me and I'm not going to continue. So now you can try to goad me into continued participation in this conversation as well.
Sealioning for genocide. Neat.
Assuming bad faith again as I tried to reach out to hear your position in the most honest way possible.
Destroying the infrastructure of Gaza so that the wounded cannot get treatment. Targeting civilians. Targeting aid trucks. Preventing aid from getting in, essentially manufacturing a famine.
I agree all of these are awful atrocities that warrant treating Netanyahu the exact same as we treat Putin. I'm not justifying what Israel or Russia are doing at all, I'm simply saying that no one calls what Russia is doing (the exact same things that Israel is doing) a genocide except ukrainian nationalists.
I just don't understand why it's genocide when Israel does it, but not when any other country does these things.
Have you ever considered that the White House doesn't consider it a genocide? Just a normal war with an above average amount of war crimes.
If you understand that position (their stated position) every action they take makes perfect sense under that perspective.
Now you can argue if it's genocide or not, that's up to the ICJ but currently the whitehouse has more information than any of us and they don't consider it one.
No, I don't think Biden is that stupid.
No. It's genocide and anyone who says it isn't knows better and supports it.
Gloat harder that the US keeps abusing its veto to hobble any investigation into the genocide you refuse to call a genocide.
Oh ffs. You just trust them because you love how they're enabling genocide.
Every single press briefing where I've seen the word Genocide mentioned the Executive branch has firmly denied that description. The official position of the Biden administration is that there's possibly war crimes, but no genocide.
And your standard is? Because if most of the world and literally every court is calling it not a genocide or "Idk yet if genocide" then I don't see how "Anyone who says it isn't knows better". That sounds just like something you tell yourself to write off everyone critical as malicious genocide lovers.
No country has a veto on ICJ decisions. What are you talking about? The U.S. isn't even a member of the ICJ.
Again assuming I love genocide or anything that's happening in Gaza, I don't, I just believe, as a member of a group that has been genocided before and could be again, that there needs to be a higher bar than 1 month and 10k casualties in to start screaming Genocide. There hasn't even been a single investigation yet and people are burning themselves alive because of the rhetoric.
War fucking sucks, and this may be many peoples first time seeing it, but this isn't special for war, kids die in bombings all the fucking time and it's depressing, but we didn't call the children bombed by Assad in Aleppo genocide victims, we didn't call the Chechens in Grozny genocide victims, we didn't call the Vietnamese in Hue genocide victims, we didn't call the Greeks expelled from Turkey and Turks expelled from Greece genocide victims.
Yet, as soon as it's Israel, it gets politically loaded, and people suddenly become bigger genocide experts than the ICJ.
Genocide denialism is all you are.
You can't just say "you're a genocide denier!!!!" When the world hasn't even agreed if a genocide is happening.
Watch me: You. Are. A. Genocide. Denier.
I'm not buying that you don't know it's a genocide.
First Biden, now me, what's your deal with not believing people when they say things?
Not everyone is arguing in bad faith.
If someone's telling me that what Netanyahu is doing isn't genocide, they're fulla shit. May as well say the sky is plaid.
Can you please point to me what makes you think it's explicitly genocidal and not just your run of the mill war crimes like happened in Chechnya, Syria, and now Ukraine?
This is genuinely my only problem calling it a genocide, the label doesn't exactly change much for me, I want Biden to do way more to end it, but I don't think he can change 70 years of Israeli government attitude towards Palestinians in a year.
Sealioning for genocide. Neat. You'll get ONE reply from me in which I explain the fucking obvious. The UN has a definition for genocide: "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
Destroying the infrastructure of Gaza so that the wounded cannot get treatment. Targeting civilians. Targeting aid trucks. Preventing aid from getting in, essentially manufacturing a famine. And just so we're clear, "Putin is doing it so that makes it ok" is a shitty rationale for anything.
If you're going to ask for more granular evidence or dismiss what I'm saying, it won't surprise me at all. In any event, talking to genocide deniers disgusts me and I'm not going to continue. So now you can try to goad me into continued participation in this conversation as well.
Assuming bad faith again as I tried to reach out to hear your position in the most honest way possible.
I agree all of these are awful atrocities that warrant treating Netanyahu the exact same as we treat Putin. I'm not justifying what Israel or Russia are doing at all, I'm simply saying that no one calls what Russia is doing (the exact same things that Israel is doing) a genocide except ukrainian nationalists.
I just don't understand why it's genocide when Israel does it, but not when any other country does these things.