Ostensible leftist that knows what horrific things Stalin did, but thinks they weren't that bad or even good, somehow. It's even more detached from reality than example A. Spend some time on lemmygrad and you'll see what I'm talking about.
That didn't really answer my question, did it? Do you agree that the why of views matters in many ways more than the views themselves when it comes to seeing if someone can be swayed or not?
So you're saying if you think you can change my mind, you would ally with me? Or would you try to change my mind first?
If we both share the common goal of dismantling Capitalism in the short term, and your intentions come from a place that can be reasoned with, I would ally with you, rather than endanger the leftist movement overall and risk fascism.
I'm glad we reached an understanding here. Where leftists/progressives differ from your viewpoint is that we generally believe tankies cannot be allied with prior to changing their views. Authoritarian governments taking power just about always purge political dissidents. Since progressives are anti-authoritarian, that means them. Allying with authoritarians and hoping to convince them to not be authoritarian before taking power is a losing prospect.
Again, spend some time on lemmygrad and maybe give some gentle pushback on their beliefs and see what happens.
I am a Leftist, lol. Leftists do not, as a whole, differ from my viewpoint.
That's why I said generally lol. But I've heard many many more people saying "fuck tankies" than "Hey maybe we should hear them out."
I'm skeptical of anyone labeling anyone a tankie ever since an Anarchist labeled me a tankie for saying Marxism is a valid strain of Socialism.
You left out C.
Ostensible leftist that knows what horrific things Stalin did, but thinks they weren't that bad or even good, somehow. It's even more detached from reality than example A. Spend some time on lemmygrad and you'll see what I'm talking about.
That didn't really answer my question, did it? Do you agree that the why of views matters in many ways more than the views themselves when it comes to seeing if someone can be swayed or not?
So you're saying if you think you can change my mind, you would ally with me? Or would you try to change my mind first?
If we both share the common goal of dismantling Capitalism in the short term, and your intentions come from a place that can be reasoned with, I would ally with you, rather than endanger the leftist movement overall and risk fascism.
I'm glad we reached an understanding here. Where leftists/progressives differ from your viewpoint is that we generally believe tankies cannot be allied with prior to changing their views. Authoritarian governments taking power just about always purge political dissidents. Since progressives are anti-authoritarian, that means them. Allying with authoritarians and hoping to convince them to not be authoritarian before taking power is a losing prospect.
Again, spend some time on lemmygrad and maybe give some gentle pushback on their beliefs and see what happens.
I am a Leftist, lol. Leftists do not, as a whole, differ from my viewpoint.
That's why I said generally lol. But I've heard many many more people saying "fuck tankies" than "Hey maybe we should hear them out."
I'm skeptical of anyone labeling anyone a tankie ever since an Anarchist labeled me a tankie for saying Marxism is a valid strain of Socialism.