that isn't the claim i made. in fact, its remarkably similar to the one you are making.
And yet here you are claiming that if people abstaining don't result in their profit going down, then abstaining does nothing.
we have evidence people abstain. we have evidence that the production increases. there is no evidence that abstaining from buying meat has ever reduced emissions.
It is obvious that you really don't want to be responsible for your actions. That is the heart of this issue. No amount of going back and forth with me will do that for you. It is you who needs to look at what you do. If you think funding other people to do terrible things that hurt the environment doesn't actually make you responsible for those horrible things, then no amount of explanation will change this for you. Even if you get me to say "you are right, you can pay anyone to do any terrible thing that brings you pleasure, and you have no moral responsibility for this", it still won't make it true. This isn't hard to see. It just takes you to be willing to analyze it honestly.
you are right, you can pay anyone to do any terrible thing that brings you pleasure, and you have no moral responsibility for this”
another strawman
It's I possible to have a conversation with someone who constantly pretends like they didn't say what they did. I've given you all the information you need to take your next steps, now it's on you.
It’s I possible to have a conversation with someone who constantly pretends like they didn’t say what they did.
real pot and kettle situation you've made here
Someone who advocates for taking care of the planet, and treating others compationately disagrees with you. You try to defend massive corporations that are well known for destroying the planet and abusing animals in ways so horrific that simply being shown what they are doing took you to a place not far from suicidal ideas. If that is really what you think you should be defending deep down, there is nothing I can tell you to change your mind. Just consider if you would rather be on the side defending compassion or on the side fighting against it.
You try to defend massive corporations
i never did that.
I know it's embarrassing, but you can go back and read what you've written. No stretch of the imagination puts you on any side other than trying to excuse your funding those monsters.
anyone can read whats been said and see that i've not defended any corporations
Factory farms are exclusively run by corporations. I highly doubt this is news to you.
and i havent defended factory farms
this is all posturing and rhetoric. you have not shown that being vegan reduces industry emissions.
By the way, once again, you made up this vegan thing. Go look for me saying anyone should be vegan. You've created a fictional world, and even a fictional person to argue against because you have no leg to stand on in the real world arguing against a real person.
you're splitting hairs. it seems impossible for you to be intellectually honest
The emissions happen because people financially support them. It isn't hard to grasp. You just don't want to feel responsible. I know I'm not responsible for it, and I don't have to try to pretend that my money doesn't help continue what they do. You have to pretend or admit guilt, and at this point you can't bring yourself to admit to what you are doing.
more posturing and rhetoric. no evidence that your purchases have ever helped the environment at all.
The issue isn't a lack of evidence. The issue is your denial of anything that questions your behavior. The problem you are facing is looking at yourself, not at being unable to use a search engine.
so when did agriculture emissions drop?
You already have been presented the explanation of this. It is up to you to understand it.
to be clear, your method has been tried and it has failed.
I absolutely get that you don't want to be thinking these things next time you are trying to enjoy your cheap cheeseburger and ice cream, or whatever else your personal guilty pleasure is. I am well aware that I have, at least temporarily, greatly tarnished your ability to selfishly enjoy these things. I hope this conversation will help you, or anyone reading this, be a bit more loving. You have not at all succeeded in convincing me that I should be more selfish, more hateful, or less compassionate. I highly doubt that your best version of yourself would really want what you are so sadly trying to desperately defend.
I am well aware that I have, at least temporarily, greatly tarnished your ability to selfishly enjoy these things
look, normally i think that it's shitty to dig through a user's history and drag it into the current discussion, but i do encourage you to sort my comments by old.
i have been objecting to your feckless method of protecting teh environment for years. this account alone is almost solely focused on pushing people to find effective methods.
you literally have no idea who you are talking to or what you are talking about.
It is incredibly ironic that you see yourself as a moral force for good while vehemently defending some of the most atrocious practices in the world today. I hope you are able to cast aside your addiction so you can see clearly enough to actually do some good. It is clear that you find your behavior deplorable, it is just that you can't fathom giving up on your precious factory farms.
vehemently defending some of the most atrocious practices
i never did that.
I'm against factory farms. You are for factory farms. It would be incredible if you now try to switch this as well. It would be such progress if you now start trying to attack factory farms for their vile practices.
You are for factory farms.
no, i'm not
This is great progress, not long ago you were.
no i wasn't and you wont be able to find me saying i was.
It would be such progress if you now start trying to attack factory farms for their vile practices.
this is a red herring. it has nothing to do with whether buying celery will reduce agricultural emissions.
I hope you are able to cast aside your addiction
back to practicing without a license again?
more posturing and rhetoric, but no evidence that abstaining from factory farmed meat has ever reduced emissions.
It's incredibly easy to search, I have provided an article, but there are many many more that you can easily find. It's been known for a long time. And isn't disagreed on.
It’s incredibly easy to search,
this is not evidence
I have provided an article, but there are many many more that you can easily find.
this is not evidence
It’s been known for a long time.
this is not evidence
And isn’t disagreed on.
this is not evidence
Well, I think we should be thankful for the progress you made. It's so nice to see you now talking against factory farms. Hopefully, you are stro g enough to put your money where your mouth is. Talk only does so much, it's who you support with your energy that really matters.
more posturing and rhetoric, but no evidence.
this is just a series of personal attacks and self-aggrandizing statements.
The reason they feel like personal attacks is because your ego is so twisted around your emotional dependence on a deplorable addiction. If you were able to separate your ideas from yourself, then me questioning your ideas wouldn't be so deeply offensive to you. The trouble is that you can't fathom a life without paying people to destroy the environment and treat animals horribly. This is because you think living without cheap animal products simply isn't an option. I assure you it is, and after your withdrawal, you will actually feel better. It may not take nearly as long or be nearly as unbearable as you are fearing. Really, truly. Most people who have put their morals above their pleasure have gone through this very thing, and I'm confident you can as well.
If you were able to separate your ideas from yourself, then me questioning your ideas wouldn’t be so deeply offensive to you.
this isn't about questioning my ideas. it's about developing evidence to support your position. you still haven't don that.
I have. You just are blind to anything that challenges your behavior. Luckily, you have managed to reverse your stance somewhat on factory farms. That's a great win. I hope it sticks with you.
more posturing and rhetoric and personal attacks. no evidence.
most of this comment is posturing, rhetoric, and personal attacks.
they don't feel like personal attacks. tehy are. you're not presenting any evidence to support your position, you are making attacks against me a s a person.
This is because you think living without cheap animal products simply isn’t an option.
i never said this, i said that your decision to do so doesn't change the emissions from the industry.
You have not at all succeeded in convincing me that I should be more selfish, more hateful, or less compassionate.
i have not tried to do that
And yet here you are claiming that if people abstaining don't result in their profit going down, then abstaining does nothing.
i'm not discussing profit at all. i'm talking about emissions.
that isn't the claim i made. in fact, its remarkably similar to the one you are making.
And yet here you are claiming that if people abstaining don't result in their profit going down, then abstaining does nothing.
It is obvious that you really don't want to be responsible for your actions. That is the heart of this issue. No amount of going back and forth with me will do that for you. It is you who needs to look at what you do. If you think funding other people to do terrible things that hurt the environment doesn't actually make you responsible for those horrible things, then no amount of explanation will change this for you. Even if you get me to say "you are right, you can pay anyone to do any terrible thing that brings you pleasure, and you have no moral responsibility for this", it still won't make it true. This isn't hard to see. It just takes you to be willing to analyze it honestly.
another strawman
It's I possible to have a conversation with someone who constantly pretends like they didn't say what they did. I've given you all the information you need to take your next steps, now it's on you.
real pot and kettle situation you've made here
Someone who advocates for taking care of the planet, and treating others compationately disagrees with you. You try to defend massive corporations that are well known for destroying the planet and abusing animals in ways so horrific that simply being shown what they are doing took you to a place not far from suicidal ideas. If that is really what you think you should be defending deep down, there is nothing I can tell you to change your mind. Just consider if you would rather be on the side defending compassion or on the side fighting against it.
i never did that.
I know it's embarrassing, but you can go back and read what you've written. No stretch of the imagination puts you on any side other than trying to excuse your funding those monsters.
anyone can read whats been said and see that i've not defended any corporations
Factory farms are exclusively run by corporations. I highly doubt this is news to you.
and i havent defended factory farms
this is all posturing and rhetoric. you have not shown that being vegan reduces industry emissions.
By the way, once again, you made up this vegan thing. Go look for me saying anyone should be vegan. You've created a fictional world, and even a fictional person to argue against because you have no leg to stand on in the real world arguing against a real person.
you're splitting hairs. it seems impossible for you to be intellectually honest
The emissions happen because people financially support them. It isn't hard to grasp. You just don't want to feel responsible. I know I'm not responsible for it, and I don't have to try to pretend that my money doesn't help continue what they do. You have to pretend or admit guilt, and at this point you can't bring yourself to admit to what you are doing.
more posturing and rhetoric. no evidence that your purchases have ever helped the environment at all.
Not at all a hard search:
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/countries-urged-curb-factory-farming-meet-climate-goals-2023-11-29/#:~:text=Factory%20farming%20alone%20is%20responsible,Wednesday%20by%20World%20Animal%20Protection.
The issue isn't a lack of evidence. The issue is your denial of anything that questions your behavior. The problem you are facing is looking at yourself, not at being unable to use a search engine.
so when did agriculture emissions drop?
You already have been presented the explanation of this. It is up to you to understand it.
to be clear, your method has been tried and it has failed.
I absolutely get that you don't want to be thinking these things next time you are trying to enjoy your cheap cheeseburger and ice cream, or whatever else your personal guilty pleasure is. I am well aware that I have, at least temporarily, greatly tarnished your ability to selfishly enjoy these things. I hope this conversation will help you, or anyone reading this, be a bit more loving. You have not at all succeeded in convincing me that I should be more selfish, more hateful, or less compassionate. I highly doubt that your best version of yourself would really want what you are so sadly trying to desperately defend.
look, normally i think that it's shitty to dig through a user's history and drag it into the current discussion, but i do encourage you to sort my comments by old.
i have been objecting to your feckless method of protecting teh environment for years. this account alone is almost solely focused on pushing people to find effective methods.
you literally have no idea who you are talking to or what you are talking about.
It is incredibly ironic that you see yourself as a moral force for good while vehemently defending some of the most atrocious practices in the world today. I hope you are able to cast aside your addiction so you can see clearly enough to actually do some good. It is clear that you find your behavior deplorable, it is just that you can't fathom giving up on your precious factory farms.
i never did that.
I'm against factory farms. You are for factory farms. It would be incredible if you now try to switch this as well. It would be such progress if you now start trying to attack factory farms for their vile practices.
no, i'm not
This is great progress, not long ago you were.
no i wasn't and you wont be able to find me saying i was.
this is a red herring. it has nothing to do with whether buying celery will reduce agricultural emissions.
back to practicing without a license again?
more posturing and rhetoric, but no evidence that abstaining from factory farmed meat has ever reduced emissions.
It's incredibly easy to search, I have provided an article, but there are many many more that you can easily find. It's been known for a long time. And isn't disagreed on.
this is not evidence
this is not evidence
this is not evidence
this is not evidence
Well, I think we should be thankful for the progress you made. It's so nice to see you now talking against factory farms. Hopefully, you are stro g enough to put your money where your mouth is. Talk only does so much, it's who you support with your energy that really matters.
more posturing and rhetoric, but no evidence.
this is just a series of personal attacks and self-aggrandizing statements.
The reason they feel like personal attacks is because your ego is so twisted around your emotional dependence on a deplorable addiction. If you were able to separate your ideas from yourself, then me questioning your ideas wouldn't be so deeply offensive to you. The trouble is that you can't fathom a life without paying people to destroy the environment and treat animals horribly. This is because you think living without cheap animal products simply isn't an option. I assure you it is, and after your withdrawal, you will actually feel better. It may not take nearly as long or be nearly as unbearable as you are fearing. Really, truly. Most people who have put their morals above their pleasure have gone through this very thing, and I'm confident you can as well.
this isn't about questioning my ideas. it's about developing evidence to support your position. you still haven't don that.
I have. You just are blind to anything that challenges your behavior. Luckily, you have managed to reverse your stance somewhat on factory farms. That's a great win. I hope it sticks with you.
more posturing and rhetoric and personal attacks. no evidence.
most of this comment is posturing, rhetoric, and personal attacks.
they don't feel like personal attacks. tehy are. you're not presenting any evidence to support your position, you are making attacks against me a s a person.
i never said this, i said that your decision to do so doesn't change the emissions from the industry.
i have not tried to do that
i'm not discussing profit at all. i'm talking about emissions.