'They've just killed innocent people': Anger in Lebanon after Israeli strike - as teddy bears and children's shoes among rubble

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Anger in Lebanon after Israeli strike - as teddy bears and children's shoes among rubble
news.sky.com

Israeli airstrikes killed dozens of people including two families in both Gaza and Lebanon, while Hezbollah fired a volley of 55 rockets into northern Israel in response.

World leaders urged restraint and tried to frame the ceasefire negotiations as heading in a positive direction.

But in an interview with Sky News, the leader of Hamas in Lebanon told us no progress had been made so far at the talks and the two sides appear to be just as far apart as ever.

Hamas is not at the negotiations but messages and updates have been passed on to them on the sidelines.

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Could you name a country that would not qualify as an ethnostate by your definition

Yes, easily. Canada. You would be hard pressed to find someone outside of Canada that says they 'identify as Canadian' that isn't a citizen or just trying to conceal their actual citizenship.

I don’t see how merely having an ethnicity or culture as the predominant group in a country would qualify it as an ethnostate unless the government uses it as an excuse to oppress those that are not in that selected group

This is where the fundamental issue is imo. You presuppose oppression as part of your definition and that is not included in what dictionaries define it as. Yes, differing ethnicities are often a source of... 'conflict', but that is not necessarily the case and this is what I'm trying to emphasize. There are numerous nations who have an ethnic identity that aren't oppressive to others as I already listed.

IMO you meant to declare "oppressive regimes" as demanding dismantling which I absolutely agree with, and currently most Theocracies and Ethnostates in the Middle East region qualify.

do I have to have every conceivable instance in mind before I can make that declaration?

No, and I didn't ask you too. But, I think due to the clear issue with how we are each defining 'Ethnostate' you providing one other example aside from Israel is reasonable.

I think you’re conflating things a little bit here...

No, I was showing how you are conflating things with that example. In your breakdown you state that which I exactly agree with: "I would agree that that government should be abolished. That doesn’t mean democracy has failed" but you are saying exactly that when you use 'Ethnostates'. Israeli government failed so Ethnostates should be dismantled.

In conclusion, there are many justifiably proud ethnicities out there, some of which governments identify as, who aren't oppressive so we should be careful not to generalize to the point cultural identification as a whole becomes the Bad.

You would be hard pressed to find someone outside of Canada that says they 'identify as Canadian' that isn't a citizen or just trying to conceal their actual citizenship.

I identify as Canadian and am not currently a Canadian citizen. Some of my family does as well.

Dang, that was easy! Is it time to move the goal posts yet?

So what are you actually that you don't want everyone to know?

What? I'm a U.S. citizen. Why would I hide that?

Travelling abroad then. Cool beans.

I wish! I'm currently at home (in the U.S.), unfortunately.

Ah, so you call the US home. A key part of your identity. Nice try.

What? Nice try at what? You invented a definition for "ethnostate" out of whole cloth and then defied the person you were debating to find a person who identified as Canadian but is not a Canadian citizen. I immediately fit that description, so you then slid your goalposts all the way into the parking lot.

Lol, this is the weirdest and most nonsensical troll experience I've had in ages. Thanks for that. 🤗 I'm not even mad. I'm impressed by your commitment. Well done!

lol you lied, claiming you identified as Canadian yet immediately refer to the US as your homeland. I'm the troll moving goalposts? Your the one obviously trying to troll here and failing badly at it.

Except I do identify as Canadian and I do live in the U.S. I fit the description you claimed didn't exist and now you are panic-creating new rules for your game of Calvin-ball! 🤣😂

This is fun. Please keep going! What other weird nonsense do you have cooked up for me? Wait, wait! Do the definitions thing again where you invent your own definitions for words that everyone knows is bullshit. Do that one again! 😆🙏🤣