The issue is that when companies are able to get large enough to control the virtual town square, them censoring people has the same impact as the government censoring people. And especially given the fact that they're all companies held by literally millions of people, who don't get input into the speech allowed on the platform, allowing them the "freedom" to restrict speech how they see fit doesn't make sense.
You don't have the option to not use major platforms and have your voice heard, because they've done the work to make it virtually impossible.
Every consumer has input in to what a company does by simply choosing to support the company or not. Companies tend to move really quick to fix shit when they see profit margins start to dip.
No one is being forced to use either platform, and it is the platforms choice who they allow to use it. Don't like their rules, go else where.
Kind of like Lemmy instances. Don't like the rules, go somewhere you can agree with them.
Your choices are "follow YouTube's rules" or "don't distribute video content".
YouTube has a monopoly.
There's like [checks notes] 2 more video platforms on the internet!
No reason these people can't post on those, or host their own.
Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.
Let's assume that if you share a YouTube video, you get a 1% click through to people watching the video. If you share the same video the same way, but hosted on your own platform, it will drop to .0001%. It's not viable. People will watch YouTube. They won't watch on random other platforms.
Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.
That's what the airwaves are for.
But no, really, Youtube is neither that open nor that essential that the people not there are Somehow Invisible on the Internet. And even if that was somehow the case, you actually don't need to upload video, you can just use a normal youtube account to comment and link your content wherever relevant "conversations" lead there.
Yes, it absolutely is that dominant.
And no, there's no possibility whatsoever that linking to content in the comments will result in any traffic whatsoever, even if you didn't get banned immediately. That's not how people use the internet.
Network effect is a massive problem and platforms who leverage network effect need to be held to different standards.
and platforms who leverage network effect need to be held to different standards
Then do so. Come on. It's 2024.
Until something is seriously done, being able to at least go elsewhere has to be and is the rational option that is left.
There is no "elsewhere" that is remotely viable. That's the entire point.
The only rational option is YouTube because there is no path to succeeding anywhere else. Trying any other platform after being kicked off YouTube cannot be rational because it cannot succeed.
I mean , not with that attitude certainly. And dog that doesn't bark doesn't eat.
But if you want to be self-defeatist, you do you. I'd thought half the point you were even here, in a platform that is not GAFAM, was that you weren't.
That's not the discussion.
It's whether the literal only possible way for a small creator to theoretically make successful content should be allowed to control the entirety of video content on the planet with their censorship.
Making content that you want people to watch that can't go on YouTube is well past irrational. It's full on delusion. Pretending that they don't have a monopoly or that literally any class of legal speech they restrict isn't automatically, in every possible situation, abuse of their monopoly position is nonsense.
There is no attitude capable of making it possible to get videos actually distributed anywhere but YouTube. It cannot be done. You're better off getting your investment in cash and lighting it on fire.
It's certainly and obviously not, but:
YT is not anywhere near the "literal only possible way". Heck, air TV still exists!
even tho it isn't, I don't see you nor anyone acting to that extent, instead you go on a self-defeatist-for-everyone attitude.
Does Youtube have a monopoly and network effect? Sure, absolutely, and someone's gotta correct that. But it's not a complete monopoly in the sense of "if you don't eat you die". If the main supermarket in the area doesn't like me because "boobs" or something, I can still go to a minimarket.
...Look, you really get tiresome. I'd ask if you are fine but honestly you are not my problem. If you need serotonin or something, get you seen; don't try to drain mine.
Compelling argument.
I will just go and do a quick search to find plenty of alternative hosting platforms and choose to use one of them to immediately distribute video content and nullify your only point.
Youtube only maintains a monopoly if people choose to use the platform. Alternatives exist. Self hosting exists. Doing something more productive than posting "content" online exists. Lets not forget about the film industry.
Having a website people can theoretically watch your video on isn't distribution.
People watching your video is distribution.
There's nowhere but YouTube where you can host video and have actual meaningful viewership be a possibility. YouTube has an absolute, complete dominance of the video space.
The issue is that when companies are able to get large enough to control the virtual town square, them censoring people has the same impact as the government censoring people. And especially given the fact that they're all companies held by literally millions of people, who don't get input into the speech allowed on the platform, allowing them the "freedom" to restrict speech how they see fit doesn't make sense.
You don't have the option to not use major platforms and have your voice heard, because they've done the work to make it virtually impossible.
Every consumer has input in to what a company does by simply choosing to support the company or not. Companies tend to move really quick to fix shit when they see profit margins start to dip.
No one is being forced to use either platform, and it is the platforms choice who they allow to use it. Don't like their rules, go else where.
Kind of like Lemmy instances. Don't like the rules, go somewhere you can agree with them.
Your choices are "follow YouTube's rules" or "don't distribute video content".
YouTube has a monopoly.
There's like [checks notes] 2 more video platforms on the internet!
No reason these people can't post on those, or host their own.
Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.
Let's assume that if you share a YouTube video, you get a 1% click through to people watching the video. If you share the same video the same way, but hosted on your own platform, it will drop to .0001%. It's not viable. People will watch YouTube. They won't watch on random other platforms.
That's what the airwaves are for.
But no, really, Youtube is neither that open nor that essential that the people not there are Somehow Invisible on the Internet. And even if that was somehow the case, you actually don't need to upload video, you can just use a normal youtube account to comment and link your content wherever relevant "conversations" lead there.
Yes, it absolutely is that dominant.
And no, there's no possibility whatsoever that linking to content in the comments will result in any traffic whatsoever, even if you didn't get banned immediately. That's not how people use the internet.
Network effect is a massive problem and platforms who leverage network effect need to be held to different standards.
Then do so. Come on. It's 2024.
Until something is seriously done, being able to at least go elsewhere has to be and is the rational option that is left.
There is no "elsewhere" that is remotely viable. That's the entire point.
The only rational option is YouTube because there is no path to succeeding anywhere else. Trying any other platform after being kicked off YouTube cannot be rational because it cannot succeed.
I mean , not with that attitude certainly. And dog that doesn't bark doesn't eat.
But if you want to be self-defeatist, you do you. I'd thought half the point you were even here, in a platform that is not GAFAM, was that you weren't.
That's not the discussion.
It's whether the literal only possible way for a small creator to theoretically make successful content should be allowed to control the entirety of video content on the planet with their censorship.
Making content that you want people to watch that can't go on YouTube is well past irrational. It's full on delusion. Pretending that they don't have a monopoly or that literally any class of legal speech they restrict isn't automatically, in every possible situation, abuse of their monopoly position is nonsense.
There is no attitude capable of making it possible to get videos actually distributed anywhere but YouTube. It cannot be done. You're better off getting your investment in cash and lighting it on fire.
It's certainly and obviously not, but:
Does Youtube have a monopoly and network effect? Sure, absolutely, and someone's gotta correct that. But it's not a complete monopoly in the sense of "if you don't eat you die". If the main supermarket in the area doesn't like me because "boobs" or something, I can still go to a minimarket.
...Look, you really get tiresome. I'd ask if you are fine but honestly you are not my problem. If you need serotonin or something, get you seen; don't try to drain mine.
Compelling argument.
I will just go and do a quick search to find plenty of alternative hosting platforms and choose to use one of them to immediately distribute video content and nullify your only point.
Youtube only maintains a monopoly if people choose to use the platform. Alternatives exist. Self hosting exists. Doing something more productive than posting "content" online exists. Lets not forget about the film industry.
Having a website people can theoretically watch your video on isn't distribution.
People watching your video is distribution.
There's nowhere but YouTube where you can host video and have actual meaningful viewership be a possibility. YouTube has an absolute, complete dominance of the video space.