Democrat John Fetterman Says Trump Holds ‘Special Kind of Place’ In PA After Butler Shooting, Hits His Party For ‘Felon’ Attacks

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Democrat John Fetterman Says Trump Holds ‘Special Kind of Place’ In PA After Butler Shooting, Hits His Party For ‘Felon’ Attacks
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Just switch parties already, for Christ's sake.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Trump was convicted of knowingly paying off Stormy Daniels with campaign funds. He was fully aware of it. There was no mistake.

Yeah I didn’t say that I think it’s a mistake, I said I think it’s not a good idea for the democrats to use the convictions as a lane of attack.

I even said that trump probably systemically doesn’t file paperwork he’s supposed to and that it’s common for people to do that.

Again, not filing paperwork is not the problem here. He paid a porn star hush money with campaign funds. He was fully aware of it. There was no mistake. There was no oversight. Nothing was overlooked. Nothing happened that he didn't know about it. This was a very simple case.

That’s not illegal.

The crime is not reporting it.

It’s reported on a filing. Sometimes electronic but paperwork in spirit.

If the “problem” in your words is the crime, then the problem is paperwork.

The crimes are falsifying business records, not paying hush money.

The hush money was paid by trumps attorney who was then reimbursed with campaign funds. The crime is not paying hush money, the crime is covering it up.

As I said before, I don’t think it’s a very good idea to try to beat trump over the head with the convictions. At best you appeal to reactionary voters who have regressive ideas about crime and justice and at worst you have to reply to questions like “it’s legal to pay hush money out of campaign funds?”

I'm sorry... paying hush money with campaign funds isn't illegal? Are you fucking joking?

Not in the slightest.

My understandings is that the convictions were for not keeping records of what he did, not reporting what he did with the money and trying to cover up what he did with the money, not for what he did with the money.

Falsifying business records are the 34 different counts he was found guilty on.

See all the blue here: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Where do you think the money from those checks came from? It wasn't his personal bank account.

I guess I don’t take your meaning…

The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office’s case went like this: With Trump’s approval, his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid adult film star Stormy Daniels $130,000 to stay silent about an alleged sexual encounter so as not to derail Trump’s 2016 campaign. Trump then approved a fraudulent scheme to disguise the reimbursement to Cohen as legal expenses to hide the hush money.

In doing so, he ran afoul of election rules, prosecutors said, which amounted to “election fraud, pure and simple.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c288wpj1glyo

I must be missing something. It sounds from all the articles you posted that the crime was covering up payments.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but each of the 34 counts refers to a payment made in an attempt to conceal the hush money as legal expenses. If paying hush money were illegal I bet there would be many fewer out of court settlements…