West should set its own red lines, not just accept Putin’s, argues veteran diplomat
Former German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger says Western leaders should be making more threats and be willing to follow them through.
The West should spend less time fretting about Russian President Vladimir Putin's red lines and set its own, says veteran German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger.
“Russia keeps saying, if you do this, if you cross this or that red line, we might escalate,” said the 78-year-old onetime chairman of the Munich Security Conference. “Why don't we turn this thing around and say to them: ‘We have lines and if you bomb one more civilian building, then you shouldn't be surprised if, say, we deliver Taurus cruise missiles or America allows Ukraine to strike military targets inside Russia’?”
That way the onus will be on Moscow to decide whether to cross the red lines — or face the consequences.
If your question wasn't a flippant and dismissive response to my position, then neither was my answer.
No, you made a statement that required a follow up question.. requiring you to elaborate. But I have the feeling that you are answering like this cause you simply refuse to say the quiet part out loud, or are to cowardly to come out and say it. But that's OK. I think most people reading your response get what you mean.
Every accusation is a confession
Sure.. you still are dancing around specifying what your dissolution of the state of Israel would look like.
I'd personally like to see Netanyahu in a small concrete cell in Scheveningen.. just so we're clear.
Im dancing around what i hoped youd eventually figure out: to be clear, i really don't respect your ridiculous red herring)
Go look up red herring, realize how silly you just looked and improve your debate skills.
Elsewhere.
My red herring? You open by making a statement that could easily mean eliminating all Jews and when asked what you mean you refuse to specify (or concoct some kumbaya alternate reality fiction). Instead you blurt that the question is flippant. And now you say red herring as if that somehow absolves you of taking a position that has no basis in reality or a position that just wishes all Jews to dissapear.
The situation in Israël is neither clear cut nor easy. And since one side (Israël) holds all the power I would expect that side to come up with a just and equitable solution that works for Palestinians too.. and that is not what they are currently doing... We see war mongering genocidal idealogs run their campaign of destruction simply because Bibi needs war to stay out of jail. The reason why these right wing extremist settlers are in the Israeli government in turn has its basis in constant shelling of Israel proper. Which continue because Israël refuses to provide their neighbors with an equitable solution and not keep settling the west bank.
Incorrect. Israel should cease to exist ==mean jew elimination no matter how hard or often you say it. Its frankly appalling you dont get this.
Israel should cease to exist. It never should have existed, and what it deserves is dissolution. Your insulting followup "questions" are based on your personal feelings and are a red herring no matter how strong your feelings are.
Seriously, go look up red herring before you forget.
No I'm asking, then what. You throw your red herring around as if that means something.
here is a nice writeup on red herring and even tips on how to use it more effectively than you've been. The first important thing is understanding the term.
I'll help you over this hill youre lyin' on... Your actual argument from the beginning is that "Israel as a state entity should continue to exist."
Your "red herring's" purpose is to obfuscate your final position (Israel as a state should continue, simply because it's already there.)
By diverting attention towards how difficult it could be logistically, you hide from the immorality of israel's existence.
My OG reply simultaneously dismisses your "ok but how?" argument as fallacious and addresses your real point, "israel should exist". If you actually think israel should exist as an ethnostate someplace, i actually think your country should host them and you should move out so they can have it.
You have not done anything since except complain how its not fair i ignored your bad faith.
Can you please take a little more care in your next response?
You can take your strawman and stick it. In the mean time the whole middle east has been building to this and egged on by people like you we will see it get a lot worse.
I'll bet all those Palestinians are very comforted by knowing people like you have their backs. "No no.. you need to stay in your refugee camps because else the evil Jews won"... 70 years down and people like you helped 300k people kicked from their lands back then, become 5 million people in perpetual misery... But you can rest smuggly that you took the moral high ground.. but then it does not cost you anything.. so there.
Finally getting you drop your red herring and fall back on your modus operandi of ad hominem was honestly the best outcome i could ask for on the Internet, yes.