Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel?

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Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 328 points – 1 weeks ago

As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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As per the Mueller report: Russian trolling doesnt just affect the GOP.

And now we know that India, China and Iran(at absolute minimum) have their own efforts to that effect too. Israel has had the AIPAC for decades, so theyre guilty of it too.

Conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists everywhere.

AIPAC is doing what is actually effective: lobbying (AKA bribing) politicians.

So are the Saudis.

But to deny that the known efforts of the Russians to fuck with the GOP and at least one known instance of them fucking with BLM is foolish. Go to the Canada subreddit on any news related to India and its full of atrocious asfroturf.

Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.

Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.

It did not in fact prove that.

IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor's Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away

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And should Harris lose this election, the Democrats will again look anywhere but in the mirror for the reasons.

I actually read the public mueller report for myself. I know what it said.

Damn I applaud you for the effort in compiling those sources.

All Canadian subs are extremely racist, it's most likely Israeli botting actually. They are behind right wing movements all around the world. Remember the UK anti-immigrant rights? A Israeli Zionist was behind that.

Wait til you get a load of the CIA

Whattaboutism.

Whataboutism is just having perspective.

Are you against having perspective?

Russia doesn't do SHIT in the US. The only thing that was proven was that they spent like 200k on buff Bernie facebook memes. Russiagate was debunked by the CEO of Crowdstrike who testified that they saw no evidence of Russia hacking Hillary's email servers.

China and Iran do less than nothing, they are completely ineffective at propaganda. I live in Taiwan, you would think with a shared language (mandarin), the "CCP" (CPC is what they're actually called) would be effective at brainwashing Taiwanese right into believing their narratives right? FUCK no.