It is so hypocritical that it’s unpopular with zoo-goers that come to look at animals in cages, while wearing leather and eating other animals.
If you’re against exploitation of animals, please align your actions with your morals and live vegan.
"If you can't be perfect you have no justification for being good"
Didn’t say anyone should be perfect, just apply your morals consistently
“If you don’t apply your morals consistently, don’t bother applying them at all”…?
Human beings are not rational actors. It’s a recipe for burnout and depression to walk around expecting them to be.
For anybody feeling the way parent commenter feels, do yourself a favor and let it go. We’re human beings. What we are is what we are.
do yourself a favor and let it go
I will stay angry as long as people are putting animals in gas chambers. The voiceless rely on people to stand up, they cannot end their own oppression.
You don’t need to be angry to speak and act.
I mean, maybe you feel like you do, but to anyone else reading this—that’s a trap.
Anger is poison.
Find a way to be happy and live well and stand for what matters to you.
you don't have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn't matter.
“You don’t have to stop the faucet before starting to mop”
Stopping the cruelty from the root of it is the best way to do it.
Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?
you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.
The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.
The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.
The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.
Be real man.
It's extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.
Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.
I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)
There's an industry article here. They still raise the males that slip through for meat which sucks. But Germany has banned male chick culling so as far as I can tell it's all hatcheries in Germany using this method, possibly all eggs sold in Germany.
This happens even with backyard chickens.
Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭
artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don't care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn't make them bad.
All your examples are either voluntary or in the best interest of the animal.
there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it's generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.
I believe being alive is of a higher benefit to any individual.
Dogs, cats and bunnies all live longer when spayed/neutered.
hey, you're not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they're wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don't know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.
it's called animal husbandry
Something doesn't stop causing suffering because you call it a different name.
it's not cruelty. the suffering isn't the intention, it's just incidental.
It is so hypocritical that it’s unpopular with zoo-goers that come to look at animals in cages, while wearing leather and eating other animals.
If you’re against exploitation of animals, please align your actions with your morals and live vegan.
"If you can't be perfect you have no justification for being good"
Didn’t say anyone should be perfect, just apply your morals consistently
“If you don’t apply your morals consistently, don’t bother applying them at all”…?
Human beings are not rational actors. It’s a recipe for burnout and depression to walk around expecting them to be.
For anybody feeling the way parent commenter feels, do yourself a favor and let it go. We’re human beings. What we are is what we are.
I will stay angry as long as people are putting animals in gas chambers. The voiceless rely on people to stand up, they cannot end their own oppression.
You don’t need to be angry to speak and act.
I mean, maybe you feel like you do, but to anyone else reading this—that’s a trap.
Anger is poison.
Find a way to be happy and live well and stand for what matters to you.
you don't have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn't matter.
“You don’t have to stop the faucet before starting to mop”
Stopping the cruelty from the root of it is the best way to do it.
Go vegan!
eating eggs and milk is not animal cruelty
Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?
you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.
The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.
The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.
The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.
Be real man.
It's extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.
Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.
I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)
There's an industry article here. They still raise the males that slip through for meat which sucks. But Germany has banned male chick culling so as far as I can tell it's all hatcheries in Germany using this method, possibly all eggs sold in Germany.
Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭
artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don't care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn't make them bad.
All your examples are either voluntary or in the best interest of the animal.
there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it's generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.
I believe being alive is of a higher benefit to any individual.
Dogs, cats and bunnies all live longer when spayed/neutered.
I think we have different values
I'm gonna start doubling my portions
Damn bro, you let a vegan change your habits?
Epic bacon bro, never heard that one before.
hey, you're not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they're wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don't know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.
it's called animal husbandry
Something doesn't stop causing suffering because you call it a different name.
it's not cruelty. the suffering isn't the intention, it's just incidental.