Voluntarily chopping off your arm. (To replace it with something else)

I wish people weren't angry at the protest but instead at the more oppressive forces of society. Also sorta unrelated but what does Otoh mean?

Well that sucks if that is the case. People shouldn't be focusing their anger at protesters it should be at the companies and CEOs.

Yeah real politics is complicated and messy but that doesn't mean we should demonize the act of fighting for our rights. And that is the thing that I am worried about. That people are starting to see fighting for your rights as a bad thing.

Ah ok. Thx.

This is my answer in another comment on a different post.

I only heard about them recently too so I might give an incomplete answer but the general gist is that mutual aid is when a group of people band together and share whatever resources and services that they have to offer to other people in that group.

So if someone made an excess of vegetables in their garden they would give that to others in the group with expecting anything immediately in return in the hopes that when their fence breaks down and they request help someone with knowledge on how to fix it would be willing to come help.

As for finding mutual aid groups I’ve seen mutualaid.wiki and mutual aid hub but I’m not sure of what else there is.

I don't understand?

Edit: Is this posted on the wrong thread?

This is the text of the article

We aim to bring you surprising and important findings from the world of research. I fear this week’s offering may not manage the “surprising” part but it is important.

In a great new study, Swedish researchers investigated how policy outcomes reflect public attitudes towards those policies. They looked across 30 European countries over 38 years on issues ranging from welfare to immigration, foreign policy to the environment.

The good news from the democracy side of things is that more popular policies are more likely to happen. Phew.

But the authors go on to ask: who specifically is more likely to get what they want? The rich. That’s less good.

The size of the difference isn’t enormous – the average share of households who support policy that happens was 57.1% for rich households and 53.7% among low-income ones (the middle class… is in the middle). But what is staggering is how consistent it is across countries and decades.

We’ve known for a very long time that American politics is sensitive to the preferences of the rich. That’s generally been seen as obvious – a system where having or raising huge amounts of cash is a prerequisite for being competitive electorally is a politics with a price tag, and in a highly unequal country it’s the rich that can pay to play.

But this research is telling us that high-income citizens are more likely to agree with policy changes than low-income citizens in all but two European countries, and that income inequality levels or tightness of financial rules around political campaigning don’t seem to be driving the effect.

In democracy you can’t always get what you want, but being rich gets your chances up. Who knew?

I mean I don't think thats the full story. You should try looking at this interactive website.

The Evolution of Trust

I only heard about them recently too so I might give an incomplete answer but the general gist is that mutual aid is when a group of people band together and share whatever resources and services that they have to offer to other people in that group.

So if someone made an excess of vegetables in their garden they would give that to others in the group without expecting anything immediately in return in the hopes that when their fence breaks down and they request help someone with knowledge on how to fix it would be willing to come help.

As for finding mutual aid groups I've seen mutualaid.wiki and mutual aid hub but I'm not sure of what else there is.

Edit: with to without

I think alot of the reason why it doesn't "just happen" is not because it can't but because of A) A lack of people that know it is an alternative and B) The cultural norms that make us think that the world is "all or nothing"

For the first part the only way that can change is through people telling other people about mutual aid and the second part is something that can change. A good example of how that can be done through game theory is shown through this site: The Evolution of Trust

Whoever owns this account should change the server used to show piped links because this server doesn't work anymore.

P.S. Just randomly looked through mutualaid.wiki and it seems you are right. You might have more luck on mutualaidhub.org or just searching up mutual aid on google.

Nobody likes shit in their garden

The flowers do.

(I'll just show myself out).

I didn't change my IP address. I don't know how to do that for free (because I don't have money to pay for a vpn and I don't trust what free vpns do with my data).

What is a fingerprint randomizer?

Edit: By the way I haven't downvoted you.

This seems like it can be fixed by making it so that before you get aid you have to join the mutual aid network first and secondly making it public knowledge what requests each individual member has contributed.

Honestly more work places need to unionize and I think a programmer's union would be great.

I mean there were a few murders of some billionaires sometime back but it didn't seem to change anyone's mind.

Source:

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barry-sherman-honey-murder-billionaire-b1976644.html

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/article/bob-lee-stabbing-san-francisco.html

Maybe all of Lemmy could play a game like chess, pokemon, etc. Like twitch plays videos.

I agree that that we do need something like a collective action platform so people can coordinate much better than they currently do. Also something that you didn't directly mention but I think you imply is that there doesn't need to be complete agreement before action is taken because there are alot of valid disagreements on how to move forward but there are also alot of agreements as well that are ignored in public conversation because we take those points as a default.

I've been working on something similar to this on my own time (which you can see in my post history) but honestly we won't move forward if we don't actively start working together properly.

There is another one that is called !protest@lemmy.world

If you are interested there is a professor named Damon Centola that might be interested in dedicating time to gathering that data and might help with the visualization as well. If you are in the sociologist space or just interested you could reach out to him.

So you are saying that the main barriers are housing and electricity. Ok that makes sense but I suspect that there might be plenty of places where you could first get people in that network to collectively save up to buy plots of land to then eventually build up housing. I just think that their is alot of wasted potential to actually directly support these people more.

Well that sucks and I hope the communities around you grow to be bigger so they can help more people. As for me I was able to find mutual aid network that is supported by DSA of america so it seems like its more organized and more robust so I think for now it depends on where you are.

Someone else said in response to my comment in a different post that it is sort of a chicken and the egg problem where people have to join the network first before the network becomes useful and I think that's what is happening here where people aren't joining therefore they have a lack of organization for those communities.

Personally I would love to see this kind of project done. But for it to work most people on the servers data that you are working with would have to be informed and given time to answer. I hope you reach out to the administrators of each instance and ask them if they would be ok with this and give them time to ask their users. Knowledge is power and if the visualization was public I think it could be helpful.

No problem just notify me if you ever decide to follow through.

This is my answer in another comment.

I only heard about them recently too so I might give an incomplete answer but the general gist is that mutual aid is when a group of people band together and share whatever resources and services that they have to offer to other people in that group.

So if someone made an excess of vegetables in their garden they would give that to others in the group with expecting anything immediately in return in the hopes that when their fence breaks down and they request help someone with knowledge on how to fix it would be willing to come help.

As for finding mutual aid groups I’ve seen mutualaid.wiki and mutual aid hub but I’m not sure of what else there is.

Sorry for commenting again but I think there is a way for you to do this in a completely open, easy, and privacy-preserving way. You don't need to access their database.

1. Get a list of instances that you want to look at the subscription patterns for. (All the instances here + Lemmy.world)

2. Go to that instance's website, click the "Communities" tab at the top, and then click "All" It shows how many users from that instance are subscribed to that community (both communities from that instance and outside of that instance)

If you find a way to automatically (or manually) scrape this data from all of those websites you can create the visualization that you were talking about.

So you were right, the data is open source it is just specific to each website.

Let me think about it and I'll get back to you.

I mean I sorta thought that most people haven't heard about them but also it seems like a simple enough answer that the fact that most people haven't heard of it meant that people haven't been willing to share the idea meaning that something was wrong with the idea.

So I am asking other people that have heard about them about the problems.

I am all for it. Actually I have started working on a mobile app just for that purpose specifically. I have written a little bit about in one of my first posts if you wanna look at it.

It would be up to the individual that wants to support the request not necessarily the group. If there is someone that is known to not be able to provide something because they are sick I'd assume there would still be some people that would want to help them. Also people with disabilities aren't helpless and can still be useful to a community. So where they can't in help in one way they can help in another.

Edit: are to aren't

Yeah no I totally agree. I think it is a mismanagement of action both by the protesters and the bystanders. For protesters talking to bystanders they should make it more fun for bystanders to get involved.