This is a good point, but pixelfed is more like Instagram so it depends a lot on the comment & conversation style that users prefer.

That's the thing - they don't see it that way. Their voters think that it won't affect them because they're not abusing the system, but it'll be a good thing to give freeloaders the boot. Their cognitive dissonance doesn't let them realize that they are also part of the group that will be affected.

You see it am the time. They hold two contrary beliefs with no problem arguing for both.

Basically what we already know. Reddit is restoring comments that have been deleted by users possibly in violation of data privacy laws.

Louis goes a little farther by sharing the story of one particular user who tried multiple ways to delete their content including manually deleting every single comment one by one. Then to answer Reddit's response that user data is "anonomized" by disassociating it with the user account when the user deletes their account, the user points out that at least one of their posts has their full name in it, and by restoring that post against the user's wishes, they've violated California's data privacy laws.

He then goes into his typical cynical rant which I personally find entertaining but I know he rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Agreed. I had already created an account on a Lemmy instance (Lemmy.one since I wanted to avoid the two main .ml instances). I had just about settled but decided to give Kbin a try. While it doesn't seem quite as far along in it's development, it struck me as a better user experience. Combined with reservations I have about the Lemmy developers... Well, here we are. And seeing this level of involvement and dedication to doing the right thing from the developer confirms that choice. Kudos @ernest

His broader point is that he thinks mods should have stuck to their guns and kept subs private which would include their historic posts. By even reopening, they're allowing traffic to return to the site even if a few large communities are memeing hard. For the most part, subs that have reopened are going to return to business as usual. All because the mods of those communities didn't want to sacrifice their control. Spez called their bluff.

While thousands of users have been driven away, there are still more than enough who will remain and continue to engage with the site. The only lesson Reddit will have learned is that they can just wait it out no matter how unpopular of a decision they make.

I'm very curious to see if there will be any meaningful drop in traffic at this time next month.

well, yes and no. It's an attempt to force the sub open and give the "option" to no longer moderate. They're perfectly willing to part ways with you as a moderator as long as it gets the sub open. Their view is that everyone is replaceable.

Lots of people take issue with the political leanings of the Lemmy developers which may be why it's lower on the list, although I agree that it is more established.

In any case, that's the beauty of the fediverse. Create an account on both, or choose just one and cross-subscribe to communities you like.

change community rules to apply retroactively that in order to maintain freshness and improve visibility of smaller posts, anything over x days old or over x karma will be removed.

depends on the desires of the majority of the community I would say. If the majority of the community says they want to change the community, then who are we to disagree? I'd vote for the change. Unfortunately for that vote, I haven't been on Reddit since before the blackout. The only reason I'll be going back will be to delete some/all of my posts.

I'm really curious to see if we start to see separate instances dedicated to separate topics like that. Imagine that forum you used to participate in on its own instance with all the same subforums/categories. The difference now is that you can federate that niche forum with the wider fediverse if you want to engage with a larger audience.

People are used to that singular reddit feel. I never started new posts on reddit because I would rarely get a response. If nobody catches your post in the new section of a semi-popular sub within an hour or so, it's gone. Or on a large sub, I had a post removed for being too similar to other posts even though a search didn't yield any results. When I asked which post it was similar to, I get a snarky comment from a power tripping mod about "not being a librarian" and muted for a week so that I can't respond as punishment for daring to question them. Come to think of it, reddit is kind of a shitty place with the exception of a few niche subs.

Now, I'm feeling much more inclined to start new threads since I feel I'd actually be able to have a conversation here.

The main issue seems to be your photo storage requirements. In terms of federation, your posts should appear normally for whatever platform you're using to users who are on other instances so long as the instances don't become defederated for some reason (a rarity in most cases unless an instance has a large number of spammers or bad users).

To answer what I think you're asking, yes, users on other instances would see the post and would be linked to the images stored on your "home" instance in most cases.

My argument has always been "if he's done the crime, he should do the time". And one of the things that always kills me about Hunter which perfectly illustrates your point is how much they hate the fact that Hunter has gotten lucrative jobs and deals based on his father's political standing. Yet when you mention anything sketchy about the deals that Ivanka and Jared got? They clap their hands over their ears or make whatever excuse they can think of for why those two shouldn't be held to the same standards relating to enrichment via political favors.

The real point is doing something that gets attention. Buying beer just to pour it down the drain is dumb. Buying beer to make a video of you pouring it down the drain then posting that video to social media is protest. The difference is all about how many people see/hear you, and how many other people decide to join your cause.

Likewise, continuing to buy the product after all the protest is hypocritical showmanship, but buying a single 12 pack as a prop and never buying that product again for is boycotting. Keep in mind that the type of people who buy a case or two of bud light at a time are often the type of people who buy that much every week. If enough of those people switch brands, it might create a blip on on the company's radar at the very least.

Now my cynical point of view is that major companies no longer care very much about negative publicity. No matter how many shitty things the company does and no matter how shitty those acts are, people will still buy their product. Boycotting works on smaller companies because you can meaningfully impact their bottom line. That's rarely the case with massive corporations.

Nice! Glad to see more options popping up!

I think that's the issue. People really need to remember just how early Kbin is in it's development. Ernest is working on the main features and keeping the insurance alive (and doing a fantastic job of it). Tutorials usually come much later in the development cycle one the product is ready for the masses.

Kbin got super accelerated adoption because of the reddit drama. It's missing a lot of polish and even some core features. It is also a different platform from reddit with different goals and design concepts.

People coming here expecting a 1:1 replacement for reddit are frankly in the wrong place. There are plenty of reddit alternatives out there that are much more complete and are much closer to the reddit experience. If people are here, they need to be okay with using a different platform that is in active development and doesn't have all the kinks worked out yet.

Plot twist: The AI can detect pirate speak and uses these posts to write dialogue for a pirate character based on a prompt.

Can't wait for the pirate bluebeard to speak about where his buried API is.

But some Democratic lawmakers and advocates aren't so sure. Reps. Ro Khanna and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been among the Democrats who have publicly pushed Biden to extend the pause should the Supreme Court strike down the broad debt cancellation.

"Resuming student debt payments in the middle of an affordability crisis is unconscionable. President Biden needs to deliver on his promise to cancel student debt," Khanna wrote on Twitter.

Ocasio-Cortez previously said in an interview with Politico that it's "very important the administration has a plan that is an actual response in the event of" the Supreme Court overturning student-debt relief.

Now call me crazy, but isn't this something that the legislature would be empowered to do as well? I want to see the bills that these reps have put forth to address the issue.

Yup. That's the beauty of the fediverse. Don't like the way one app manages content? I've got good news - there are at least two dozen other apps to choose from.

If you don't like the way Kbin does things and think it should be more like Lemmy, just go join a Lemmy instance. Neither platform will be perfect or will satisfy every whim of every user.

listen to guys who railed against taxes and "the government" when their income depended on taxes and "the government".

Not just their income, but every piece of gear in the place including safety equipment. Literally voting against their own survival.

reminds me of /(thatothersite)/itsaunixsystem

I've noticed this too. I think it might be when the comment has fallen to a second page.

To be fair, I tend to agree with you. I don't think the software itself has anything to do with their political ideologies since it really isn't a commercial endeavor. I was just identifying it as a common objection that I read.

And you're absolutely right, people are free to choose an independent instance or start their own if they have any concerns about the owner of an instance or how it is moderated. And after all, isn't that what this is all about?

When RIF said they were shutting down, I took the icon off my home screen. Haven't been back since. Reddit was something I did when I was bored. Kind of like reading a newspaper or magazine. I didn't need it abs still don't. And now we have communities forming elsewhere like here on Kbin and on Lemmy that I can join, and can have a better experience while doing it.

Yeah, so long Reddit and thanks for all the fish.

That would be my suggestion as well. There's a chance that all reddit users will be part of the class, but there's also a chance that only users who attempted to delete data or request that data be deleted will be part of the class.

Attempt to edit and/or delete a few of your comments at the very least and prepare for the class action lawsuit. It'll probably take a couple years, but there's no way that some law firm isn't already looking into it and gearing up to start the process. There's a particular law firm that I follow that has gotten some really good settlements from social media companies such as this one against facebook. I would believe that if anyone decides to take on a data privacy issue against a large social media company, it would be them.

There are many ways you could have dealt with it, but as far as I can see you've dealt with the issue as honorably as you could have

It's certainly a far cry away from "We will remain profit driven until profits arrive" that a certain someone said in response to a legitimate question over on the other site. A breath of fresh air really.

Susinct and savage. I like it.

For what it's worth, I think the community is doing just fine at pointing out that a direct link to DeSantis isn't presently verifiable, and it is creating reasonable discussion.

We've reached a point where leaders have realized that they can literally flip their supporters the middle finger, call them all idiots, and still have people consume their product. It used to be that CEOs used to at least try to hide behind PR image management consultants, but these days? Well, to quote our former US president "I could shoot a man in the middle of Fifth Avenue and people would still vote for me." And he's right. I'm not trying to get into a political discussion, more a societal one - this is where we are as a society - where leaders can do awful things and yet people shrug their shoulders and keep doing what they're doing as though nothing happened.

Louis Rossmann made a really good point about all of this too. A 2-day blackout is perhaps worse than doing nothing. All it does is prove that people will go away for a day or two, then come back and continue on like nothing happened. It proves that no matter how angry you make your customers, they'll be back.

I'm really glad to see so many communities have committed to going private indefinitely. I'm also glad to see just how many users are leaving the site "permanently" (one can hope they remain true to that). The only way that a company will learn is if they suffer consequences that actually affect their bottom line. PR doesn't mean jack these days, only profit.

It's a shame that these scripts don't work fit Firefox mobile. That's where I do most of my... Well I was gonna say redditing. Kbining? 😁

There's an issue with link formatting right now.

You can try removing the ! in the link you're getting a 404 on (it should be /m/community not /m/!community) or using search and searching for the community name using a leading @ instead of !

You're being linked directly to the community on its own instance. In this case you want to view it from this instance, and there are some issues with automatic link formatting right now. If you want to go to the community (magazine) from here, you can put /m/communityName in the url i.e. kbin.social/m/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

I half believe that he's a time traveler and has seen the future. In that future, Twitter lead to significant damage to human population as a whole, and that the only way Elon can save the future is by destroying Twitter and driving it into the ground until it becomes 4chan 2.0

That's kind of hilarious. 10 year old account with well over 100,000 karma suddenly starts spamming. Only banned from /r/conservative as far as I know. Maybe /r/pyongyang

Honestly, Reddit would probably like a few less NSFW subs. They've always had sort of a love-hate relationship with them. They don't want to deal with adult content at all, but they also don't want to go full Tumblr and drive half their user base away.

Who here remembers Bill Lambeer's Combat Basketball?

Combined with personalities that were ambitious enough to leave literally everything behind and make a rather perilous trek just for the opportunity to access and potentially exploit those resources.

He's emulating a guy who is running his own company into the ground. They're both going to be left with empty shells of what they first inherited. I can at least give the slightest benefit of the doubt to spez's original intentions years ago, but it hardly matters now.

And if course there will be no consequences to either of them that affect them directly. They'll both still have more money than they know what to do with.

It's an interesting conundrum for sure, but I think a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. People seem to want what they used to have on reddit: one massive community for each topic. In reality, federated services like Kbin and Lemmy are like lots of small reddits. Each instance has its own group of users and it's own magazines/communities.

This is a bit like how things used to be before gigantic sites like reddit were around. If there was a particular interest you wanted to follow or discuss, you would seek out a forum site that catered specifically to that interest. You might have a few different sites that you would log into to see new posts, add comments, etc. This fostered some pretty tight knit communities where you might actually get to know other users because they're might only be a couple hundred active users or even less.

And there might have been some overlap between those forums. If you're into cars, you might participate in one forum specifically for corvette owners and also a more general car enthusiast forum. Both of those sites might have boards dedicated to a particular model of corvette. The difference now is that you only need one account to participate in both forums.

And when a forum site would shut down, either the owners would give notice ahead of time so that users could relocate, or if the site disappeared, users were left to find new places to congregate on their own.

Kbin.social is a general forum whose purpose is to provide users with a centralized place to log in to to discuss a variety of topics. I think as the fediverse continues to spread, we'll see more specialized instances. Midwest.social is a good example of that that I am aware of.

So as it pertains to magazine ownership and faith in moderators and admins, is it really all that different from what we've been doing? If a magazine owner starts doing something that the community doesn't like, someone can create a new magazine and users can migrate if they choose. The same is true of an instance owner. In this case, I have faith that if Ernest decides to shut down the Kbin.social instance, they'll give us fair warning. And if the instance disappears overnight, I'll have to start over on another instance. The nice thing is that the communities that I participate in might be spread out. So just because this instance goes away, that doesn't mean that all my content and communities are gone with it. Merely those that were hosted on this particular instance.

I think the better approach would be something akin to multireddits where you could collect posts in similar communities from multiple instances into a single place. I believe magazines already have a feature sort of like that, but I'm not positive. That way, community posts would naturally be spread around to multiple instances and one instance going down wouldn't be the end of the world.

Assuming you meant the part about adding a label. Sorry, I missed that one. Updated the title to what I think should comply.

Valid theory. Twitter was getting a lot of attention for their work to reduce the spread of misinformation and blatant racism. Both things that the republican party and their supporters seem to be firmly opposed to. It might therfore make sense to delegitimize the platform while giving a megaphone to the people who were previously being censored or fact checked.

I always say "follow the money" which is why I couldn't figure out Elon's motives in all this. It doesn't make sense to buy a company then intentionally tank it's value. But it might make sense in terms of people in power controlling another media outlet to broadcast and reinforce their narrative.

Good.

Signed - a grumpy former network admin.

I'm mostly joking and for those wondering why it matters, we're out of public IPv4 addresses and ISPs are starting to go IPv6 only in some places. From the post:

New ISPs in my country are IPv6-only because there is no new IPv4 space to be provided to them. They do have a over-shared IPv4 address by CGNAT but due to the oversharing, it is unstable and not rare to be offline. For these companies, the internet access is stable only in IPv6.