Yea that's my takeaway here. To the point given how u/spez has behaved it wouldn't surprise me if he hired these guys to 'hack' him specifically to smear protests.

Then again I'm paranoid so what do I know?

I come from the era of the BBS. The PHP Forum. SlashDot, and Digg. I come from online games ranging from EverQuest, to Multiverse Crisis MUSH, to Moments in Tyme, to Warframe, and More. I have walked messenger clients from the times of AiM, IRC and Yahoo, to Skype, Steam, and Discord.

In my thirty years of being online, this is not the first petty tyrant claiming that upset users are the problem rather than taking a long hard look in the mirror. This will not be the last.

The best we can do is grab popcorn and watch as his platform dies. He won't admit to making any mistakes. Especially with money involved because he's under the deluded belief that showing any weakness invites a price drop from investors. Yet this behavior? It REEKS of weakness and insecurity.

Migrate and Move On. the rest is just playing u/spez's game.

Hi. Welcome to kbin. There is a bit of a learning curve. There is a bit of jank, but to be honest? You made the right call.

Reddit gave the 'fuck you' price for third party apps, then the guy in charge lied through his teeth about convrosations that has happened.

Deleted my reddit account. Twitter lost my patronage. Soo too will reddit. I'm not putting up with this noise.

It's going to take time to spin back up the reddit communities. Also, some behavior adjustments will need to be made (though I do miss having notifications I can instantly click to get to the replies. I suspect that's in the works.)

Also, as a disabled internet user, those APIs are of value for the sake of accessability. Given Reddi'ts own app is, and forgive me to use technical jargon here, steaming pile of bullshit even for those with perfect vision?

Yea fuck you too spez.

What bothers me is the stereotyping reddit mods as pear shaped basement dwellers that cling to pretend power and go through DTs if they don't have their mod authority for three days.

I am on a... .LOT of shit lists with staff on many locations for legitimate and non reasons. To the point you'd expect me to be agreeing with the assessment, but nope. Those are volunteers that make the network go 'round.

It's the FIDO admin clusterfuck yet again. 'Shit talk the guy while he's there. Guy steps back for mental wellness reasons. sudden outpouring of 'you made everything work! You were the greatest!' etc etc.

That's kinda what you find out over time and as you see platforms crumble.

the platform itself is just a wrapper for the discussions. If you can find somewhere with those discussions? The wrapper is irrelevant.

I have a few thoughts on the situation:

1. The 'Oh we're protesting with a two-day blackout' was the wrong way to go about the announcement since all that says, as has been pointed out, is 'see you Monday then.' Yet it wasn't just a two-day protest. Some came back but many didn't.

2. The News, be it outlets or people like Rossman, want grand gestures. They want Results. Having people trickle leave isn't dramatic, and it's hard to keep track of especially if reports are true that deleted accounts are undeleted and posts are unscrambled for the sake of searchability. As of this writing my account is listed as deleted and posts I care to find are u/[deleted] but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. If that's happening then it's impossible to tell who's Quit quit, walked away, or deleted their accounts only for it to be undeleted.

While tinfoil; the undeleting of accounts would track for someone desperate just before an IPO.

1. The alternatives are still in their infancy, at least when it comes to lemmy, hive, and kbin. PHP forums never went away. Hell, Ye Olden BBS's didn't go away. However, there's no monolithic Giant emerging to come to eat Reddit's lunch. So it's easy to paint any dissent as ' Redditors are never happy.'

2. The stereotype of 'all Reddit mods are the same. cling to fake power and they all are neckbeard pear-shaped basement-dwellers who never bathe haha look at how pathetic they are.' That is seductive to fall into as a narrative because like it or not a LOT of people want someone they can kick down at. Mods flipping to back a fash like u/spez for the sake of fake power gives people someone they can point at. 'We didn't get results because of YOU.'

Yet these are the same people who are organizing malicious compliance reorganizations of subreddits and policies have changed. Mods have been told 'comply or be replaced.' We don't know if admins handed the old username over or not to both smear the outgoing mod and to preserve a false continuity or not. We only know some subs have unlocked after the gun got leveled at their heads.

As someone with a patchy at best history against authority in online communities my sympathies are actually with the mods. Unpaid, having to herd cats, get shit on from the userbase, shit on from on high, and without anything major and high profile? They're getting shit on by otherwise 'liked' personalities such as Rossman when they tend to be the people holding thigns together day to day.

1. This is not a game of instant results. Modern culture has shifted to NOW! NOW NOW NOW NOW! RESULTS NOW OR IT IS A FAILURE! This is a long game of bleeding reddit dry of relevance. Reddit won't be killed, but it will be a shell of itself and it won't be seen as The Place to go to for answers.

2. As others have stated, news outlets lie. They don't have a story here so they will make one. Protesters crushed. Who knew internet-addicted Millenials are too spineless to see things through. Millennials are killing protests. Etc etc. Boomers get to feel smug.

I doubt they actually have been. I suspect this is the excuse they're going to use to enforce normalcy t oreturn. 'Oh all those subs? that was a psyop from blackcat. We de-platformed their mods to ensure that any influince is gone.'

tips tinfoil hat
But seriously. paranoia is a bullshit disease.

Yea... that's f'ing disgusting.

Given a descendant of this technology has the potential for seizure moderation, which is something my sister basically will need as the medication she uses will inevitably require doses that would destroy her liver or leave her all but vegetative. It's super interesting from a technical aspect and hyper-relevant.

However, given Musk's antics especially as of late? I wouldn't trust him to not accidentally intentionally kill people, or use it as a way to have an unremovable keylogger with the end goal of 'Oh those are some nice eyes you've got there,' or 'lovely able to live without going into convulsions isn't it? It'd be a shame if that changed.'

Funny coming from a techbro that thought to farm out getting site content from that userbase he's now wanting money from.

Like I get it if he's wanting to not go into debt, but at the same time he's shot any chance at user good will and assistance in the face with a cluster fat man.

'What's Scum?'
'bankers, politicians, cattle kings. Scum.'

Dude, my bullshit meter blew its fuses and the magic smoke's poured out.

'I don't remember getting paid for dealing with your bullshit.'

Just did, mine's thankfully still actually deleted.

Eeh. I'm just going to keep deleting it instead.

For me it is the message more than anythin because otherise they'll just whine 'you'll be back.'

Posts like this are just black pilling.

Well the best way to not have us talk about Musk like he's a moron is for Musk to stop acting like a moron.

....I... have to actually applaud the bigots for having a sense of style on this one.

Still getting used to things here, but I have to say dark mode is damned nice.

So far my major issue is 'why isn't the reply thing right at the bottom of the post and is instead at the bottom of the replies?'

The longer I think about it the more I want this game.

Raveyard Keeper: Your hopes and dreams of making the most fly night club in the 2000's with Bob the Skull as your DJ and hypeman.

Dude's political flambaiting. Flag and move on.

'I'm not using it nor are the people I surround myself with therefore it is a failure.'

Appreciated. I get kbin doesn't want to reddit clone, but this is a change I can get behind.

Along with moving the response box above the list of replies instead of at the bottom.

Buttered, seasalt, carmel, or are you going full crackerjacks?

i'm going crackerjacks on this one. Went seasalt for twitter.

Well some people do, in fairness, want things to be not the same. Thankfully given the platform it shouldn't be too much (for those that know what the hell they're doing) to offer up tweaks to cater to the oddballs.

If you gotta go. Go out swinging.

I couldn't think of anything creative or witty and hit the delete button on mine.

On the one hand CDNs not updating would explain it. On the other? Given how twitter tried 'not-banning' people to keep numbers inflated but muzzle dissent? A little paranoia is warrented.

Just... keep away from the tinfoil.

Everyone so eager to perpetuate the stereotype of 'reddit mods as pear-shaped scraggly mall ninja types that have a death grip on Banhammer and are internet addicts.'

Basically everyone looking for a group to mock that nobody will tell them they can't.

The important thing is people can't just casually reprogram the damned thing.

having an ability to diagnose and correct without cracking your head open is fine, but it has to be a way that's 'you're giving positive affirmation that you're OK with it or a medical professional is physically having to plug a thing in or on or ... just so it can't be 'oh hey yo ustepped through these induction plates. we turned your anti-siezure chip off due to your non-compliance.'

He's being a jackass about it and basically trashing the protests because there isn't this immediate collapse, and for all we know admins have transferred username control to new mods.

Yea there are a few who want to hang onto the banhammer, but the way rossman is portraying it. Everyone in reddit is a failure and he's blaming the userbase.

appreciate the clarification.

Also this is interesting given rossman posting how reddit protests are failing.

yes and no.

Yes Rossman is more substansive and provides actual good advice, but no in that he outright encourages rage flame baiting and daring people to call him on his behavior while he fosters the kind of commentary posted.

I dont' care what he's saying if the community around him is being a toxic cesspit.

I've been hearing that one for thirty years.

35th rule of acquisition: Peace is good for Business.

Or maybe it's the other way around I always get those two mixed up.

It's an exploration ship.... that's almost big enough to qualify as a mobile starbase given the civilian population. Having armaments isn't stupid, especially given how often they rejiggered the phasers to act as a tool rather than a weapon.

Then being forced to think about the firehose of shit he puts out.

Perfect. Thank you.