In case anyone, like me, wants a source for Pence refusing to get in the car with the Secret Service. It’s from the book “I Alone Can Fix It.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/

The “terrified” part is speculation, but potentially true.

I'll bite, here's a little list of the top of my head.

1. They've had a failed invasion of Ukraine
2. Rampant corruption
3. Putin is getting old and frail
4. Russia has a struggling economy where "Fortress Russia" is starting to fall short
5. Drone strikes from Ukraine have been able to target major Russian cities.
6. There was a mini-coup attempt by one of Putin's closest allies where a standing army nearly made it to Moscow while shooting down multiple Russian military aircraft.

I appreciate the take. It's not a great feeling to have "the side" you feel like you are on rail at you for trying to set the record straight.

It feels weird to say this, but I wonder if the "Tankies" from certain instances color Lemmy as a whole. If so, that makes me worried for the future of Lemmy. I really don't want this to be the Far Left version of The_Donald or Truth Social.

Completely non-compliant with GDPR and potentially the CCPA too. I can’t wait for someone to class action their collective asses.

Jokes on you! I’m hyper-focusing on that shit. Card games and board games are my jam.

Is it though? An appeal to common sense has been used to justify any number of horrors historically. It depends heavily on the culture you are in.

Debate is most certainly used to persuade and test the strength of an argument. In debate, however, common sense is sometimes used in place of logical reasoning for things the speaker believes should simply be understood.

Reminds me of the Key and Peele sketch about Obama meeting with the GOP.

https://piped.video/watch?v=B46km4V0CMY

So I haven’t seen any of what you are talking about, and I’m an avid consumer of NPR. I love that they generally avoid rage bait and present the news in a calm yet accurate manner.

That being said, I am open to being persuaded if you can present some solid evidence.

Look, I tend to believe that "common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”[1] People perceive the world differently from one another, and have different lived experiences. This is especially true for neurodivergent people when compared to people we might think of as neurotypical.

"Breonna Taylor Was Asleep" is a factually inaccurate statement. The specifics may be a non-issue for you, but they might be a major holdup for someone who thinks differently.

Can’t find anything else on this game, and I’m pretty sure this article was written by ChatGPT…

I don't know. How about the one where he said they were watching a movie?

Lol. I'm beginning to think you don't even know what the word projection means.

Ah, so just narcissism then. Got it 😅 😅

best of luck indeed

I wish you well in all your personal problems.

Lol. I do have feelings, I'm not upset, I'm definitely not projecting, but I may be misidentifying your feelings.

Still, I am certain you want the last word in our conversation.

You stuck?

I'm personally curious to see how deep the replies can go on Lemmy. The app on my phone already crapped out.

Look, it's not like we have a recording of their bedroom at the time of the incident. Do you have a source for your claim that she was asleep?

What are you even saying? The text thread is all there. There are no "lies" to be found in my comments. This is clearly an actual ad hominem attack.

Look, I think it is clear that there is no amount of evidence that will make you change your mind on this.

Walker clearly said they were watching a movie, which you choose to interpret as they were probably asleep. I choose to interpret it more literally as they were actually watching a movie.

The preponderance of evidence suggests they were watching a movie, and there is no evidence saying they were asleep, only that they "could" have been asleep.

This just in, witness testimony ≠ evidence.

You know whoever types the last comment has clearly won right? /s

I'm referring to the witness statements given by Walker.

Yeah, this is definitely a bit confusing. I think I replied to you on multiple threads and also wrongfully assumed you were the original poster of the graphic. I apologize for any frustration that added to the situation.

Edit for any future readers: Upon closer look, "bauhaus" and "BrooklynMan" have extremely similar looking profiles pictures, banners, and writing styles. On brief inspection, it looks like the images in particular were generated by AI. It's not a smoking gun per se, but it seems sketchy.

Oh, I'm just having fun here. Sorry if this is upsetting to you. I do like having the last comment though I have to admit.

Let's back up for a second.

Can you definite what you understand "common sense" to be.

Also, do you think "common sense" varies between cultures?

What are you even talking about? Is that what you are assuming I am saying?

If so, what specifically did I say that led you to believe this?

So the reason I care is that every half-truth is a chink in the armor of the overall cause. Social and racial justice are incredibly important causes. When people make bold statements that aren't entirely factual, the opposition points to them in order to discredit the cause as a whole. I want to persuade the persuadable by being factually correct whenever possible.

I do understand your overall point though.

Bullshit. You are arguing in bad faith and you 100% know it.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused as to what you are saying?

Well, for one thing it turns out Breonna Taylor wasn't even asleep.

Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper

“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.

She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.

Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker's statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.

Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper

It's not a "personal insult," it's my direct observation of what you are actively doing based on my perspective.

I made the claim you are arguing in bad faith because from my perspective that is exactly what you are doing.

I state your original claim is untrue, then you tell me your statement should be interpreted as she was asleep before police woke her up. Then I present solid evidence that she was watching a movie. Then you move the goalpost and claim my evidence isn't explicit enough for you. You also present no counter evidence. I then call you out on arguing in bad faith.

How else am I supposed to interpret what you are doing? From my perspective it seems obvious you are just trying to win an argument rather than get to the truth of the matter.

From my perspective, I am the person saying "We found these facts. care to respond?" and you are the person replying "Everything in the media is FAKE NEWS!"

Like I said:

She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.

and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.

I provided a good source that directly refutes your claim, with a statement from the witness at the scene. You clearly don't care about the truth, and just want to "win."

Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper

Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.

Commonwealth's Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.

Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor's former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”

Then, Walker, saying he was "scared to death," grabbed his legally owned handgun.

I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.

Edit: In case y’all need proof.

Courier Journal: Louisville Local Newspaper, Left Leaning

Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.

Commonwealth's Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.

Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor's former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”

Then, Walker, saying he was "scared to death," grabbed his legally owned handgun.”