just wanna add that it is easier to get them with testosterone. i think it makes sense to make that distinction here since there are literal cis women body builder who take it as performance enhancing drugs.

depends on the order. if you build abs on testosterone (t) then go on estrogen (e) then you just can with relatively easily upkeep them. if you went on e before working out, its just as hard as for cis women. so hardcore cis women body builder go on t for a short time (some weeks) to get big muscles easier before retuning to e.

can we also talk about the length of the arms of the person in the back?

Thank you :) I hope it will become a save and supportive community for all of us. as someone who struggled with this for a many years and has learned how to live happily nevertheless i felt called to create this space. equivalent spaces on reddit and such have helped me alot.

hope you will enjoy it :)

fixed it. thank you very much ^^