Stoneykins

@Stoneykins@lemmy.one
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They are talking about karma as a thing you could collect, point totals for all posts added together displayed on your profile. Not the voting mechanism itself.

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Call me boring if you want but this was already overdone and annoying by the second time they did it. Not looking forward to dumb screenshots of hard to understand pixel drama taking over everything again, it will probably be posted all over lemmy too...

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Why aren't they self aware enough to realize they sound like cartoon villains?

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As a kid I had it hammered into my head by my grandparents that patriotism is the desire to improve (and maintain) the place where one lives.

I wish more people had that perspective. "Patriotism" as a description of blind devotion and themed outfits is pretty dumb.

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The most convincing argument that elon does a lot of cocaine is just listening to him speak in a less formal interview.

BUT! I don't think he used to be actually smart, just lucky. Too many people assume "succesful" people had to have done something exceptional to earn it, but 99% of extremely wealthy people acquired that extreme wealth through a simple combination of luck and startup capital (which of course they have because they are lucky).

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If you suddenly got notified that the place you live has been redistricted to put you in a district which reduces your voting power, would you be ok with your "solution" of uprooting your entire life, changing jobs, finding a new place to stay, and re-registering to vote? Or would you maybe pursue a less completely-insane solution to the problem?

I doubt they would be willing to let people host and control their own versions of federated facebook, and I'm wondering then what would make it "decentralized" exactly. Are they just using decentralized as a buzz word because they are using ActivityPub?

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No, you don't understand, batman is rich so he is allowed to use violence.

Owners are owners. I can't have too much sympathy if a group of disenfranchised people, who have never had the opportunity to own anything, don't distinguish between hyper capitalists and regular vanilla capitalists. Both are pieces of the system that denies people the value of their labor.

There were many subreddits that did not allow participation unless someone had a karma over a certain threshold. For many of them the threshold was pretty low, only meant to stop brand new accounts and trolls, but still.

Additionally, the "people who farmed it" often did so because a reddit account with a high karma score was literally worth money to adspammers and people running bots.

The karma system contributed to what made reddit bad.

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I don't see how that addresses any of what I said. If anything this seems like this would mean the subreddits that blocked people with no karma weren't even doing it to block trolls, just new users.

I didn't care about my karma or any specific persons, I like to get into arguments about stuff and that is how you get downvoted. I just don't like the behaviour a karma system motivated.

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I hate the phrase "people want to work"

Only in the twisted context we act like is default is it true.

People want to have good food, socialize, play, and be comfortable. We work to make those things happen. Some people are lucky enough to make money doing something they already enjoy somewhat, but that isn't common or something that can be expected. 90% of people, at least, if given the option to do whatever they like and still have their needs met, would not choose to "work" in the way that we do now.

Doesn't reddit not make money though? Like, if traffic resulted in them making money, I'd agree, but everything I've heard would indicate using reddit with an adblocker literally costs them money.

Exclusively using reddit to protest should be fine IMO, just don't contribute anything that isn't a protest (including voting)

If you don't think of it as a mistake, simply an inconsequential detail, it makes perfect sense to retain it as a form of identity, so people that switched platforms can feel like they moved as a group.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth, you are acting like they have somehow done something incorrectly, but that would imply there is a correct way, which would imply rules for how to do it, official, unspoken, whatever idc.

Anyone can make their own group on a different instance and call it the same thing. If you don't like how lemmy.world works, don't take it out on the mods here, either find another instance, start one yourself, or if you have to, take it up with a lemmy.world admin

That one might be filled with US stuff because many of it's users are from the US, but there is no rule requiring everything be related to US politics, which seems to be the rule people wanted changed here. Even if they changed that rule here, this place would still have been 90% US politics because that is what the community that grew here wanted.

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I didn't agree when people tried to insist subreddits with certain names should be obligated to try to be as nuetral an interpretation of their names as possible, but here on lemmy, this concern is even more silly.

On reddit, another /r/politics couldn't be made, and there was a valid argument that they were preventing anyone else from using the generic name more appropriately, essentially holding it hostage. But, I already didn't think it was a big enough deal to really matter, many other possible names continued to be available for a more generic subreddit.

Here on lemmy this is a complete non-issue. You can make a /c/politics on any instance you like, and you can start your own instance if you don't like any available. The only difference would be subscribers and participation, but the subscribers that are here are here for a US politics sub, that's what it was when they joined, changing it would not be ok with many of them.

If you want a world politics community with subscribers you have to start one and get people to join.

And lemmy.world is just the instance name, it has no indication of theme for the communities it hosts

It has only existed for a month and based on all evidence has always been for just US politics. Are you sure you haven't confused it with another politics group on lemmy? Like !politics@lemmy.ml?

Idk why people want to change communities to be what they want them to be instead of seeking out or making the communities they want elsewhere. Anyone can have the politics name on any other instance, unlike how reddit was.

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I mean, generally getting downvoted in an argument is a matter of course, at least until people who you aren't arguing with chime in.

Also a lot of what you are saying doesn't really make sense to me? I feel like I'm not sure we agree what we disagree about.

Honestly the shit I got downvoted the most for was just standing up for trans people, reddit is full of transphobes.

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Are you describing right now or making a prediction I can't tell

You can get shower mats with brush parts. No need to fold yourself in half, just shuffle your feet.

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There are lots of reasons. One of them I've seen is that monetizing a thing like a website or online community without bleeding it to death is hard and presents unique challenges. But the CEOs of the world are trying to do it with the same skillset they used to become regular CEOs. It is the issue behind a great deal of problems... our society winnows down business leaders to one type of person for efficiencies sake, but then that type of person is rarely capable of non-exploitative or long term thinking.

I believe the devs have said they aren't going to make it officially visible, which is all I care about. If you want to make value judgements on people based on a number so bad that you had to find a client that shows it, more power to you.

I've seen some of your comments the last few days, you seem to be using lemmy a lot!

It looks like you have picked a name/theme for your profile that you plan to stick to. Do you think you are offering lemmy something it needed by trying to "troll" people? It was certainly something reddit had a lot of, but I can't agree that it belongs here.

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Hopefully

People seem to want a lot of things from the fediverse right now but the key to most of them is patience. The platform and userbase are both unstable. Lemmy and kbin are both unfinished software that need more time and effort, and/or more devs. There isn't any getting around that.

As for the users, there are a huge amount of new ones every day, most coming from reddit, and they want to talk about what is fresh and relevant to them. We won't be able to get off the topic of reddit until it stops sending migrators. Additionally, people aren't quite certain how to use this space yet, and haven't finished finding/setting up the communities they want. It is going to take time, possibly more so than the development of lemmy and kbin.

I think too many people are worried about "what is better for the site".

I think lemmy would stay nicer if it grows slowly and doesn't try to attract necessarily every demographic under the sun, like reddit tried to. Worrying about stuff like "high quality content", reposts, and maximum community engagement seems to me like it is a speed run to toxicity and bloat.

Also this community is practically explicitly for reposts, so maybe you would improve your personal experience by just blocking it?

Why do you think there are rules for community names? There are no rules or expectations (at least not yet) for community names.

The well-known answer for why this community is named this is that it is a recreation of another community that was also named this.

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Yes? I don't think I've ever heard the vote totals on individual posts and comments referred to as "Karma", just upvotes and downvotes. In my experience Karma is exclusively used to describe the total on peoples profiles. "Karma farming" is increasing that number by posting lots of different low effort posts, not when someone posts something because they think that one post will get many upvotes, as an example.

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You already said the youtube thing.

Upvoting posts that are relevant or good quality and ignoring the rest does work though. There are several instances right now where it is working.

It works perfectly fine as a content curation method. I have no way to prove this for this, but it wouldn't surprise me if it works better.

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it was the userhandle thing. they got rid of the numbers from names, now all usernames have to be unique. for people who had 3, 4, and 5 letter usernames, it has become the discord version of highlander, with people harassing, threatening, and bribing other people over usernames they all used to share

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I hate this argument, that criminal people sonehow have the ability to do anything anywhere unhindered by everything, and so making laws will only cause more crimes. It is the same type of thinking when people say "masks don't work", 90% efficacy is WORTH HAVING.

It is asinine. Making laws and properly enforcing them would absolutely reduce mass shootings. Some people certainly could still purchase unregistered guns illegally, but it would be a small fraction of the people who would/will do it under our current laws.

I hadn't thought about it until just now but IDK if that number is accurate. My instance doesn't have downvotes, so if you view my profile from lemmy.one it might look like I have a higher karma than if you look from lemmy.world, I'm not sure.

Take it all wirh a grain of salt I say

I'll just let you know you missed the joke. No one is trying to frame lower taxes and small government as hateful - they might despise them as policy, but it isn't anything to do with the hateful reputation of conservatives.

The views that are getting conservatives labeled hateful generally have more to do with the racism, the sexism, the homophobia, the transphobia, the disregard for human life, the disregard for other peoples economic standing, the warmongering, or the weird way they keep voting against letting kids at school have free lunch.

We are both arguing what we each think should happen. It just so happens that in this disagreement, what I think should happen is for things to not change.

I get the appeal of somehow turning a larger more active community that is similar to what you want into explicitly what you want, but that doesn't consider how that effects the majority of people who joined and are part of that community because it is already explicitly what they want. The majority of the demand for political news on lemmy is for US politics.

If there was somehow a way to throttle the US politics so it didn't flood out everything else, then the bulk of the community would just find another place that wasn't doing that.

All that can reasonably be done is be patient, for communities to grow and stabilize, until there are active groups available for each specific interest

If you downvote my comments they do not register on my instance. It is more than the lack of a visible button, the downvotes do not federate.

Edit: to be clear, this post is on lemmy.world, so I can be downvoted here (even though I won't see it unless I browse from lemmy.world). And from lemmy.world you can appear to downvote things on instances without downvotes, but you are basically just downvoting the local copy of the thing. The downvote never gets sent through, it just lives on your instance.

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people heavily affected by it probably wouldn't agree with you, but yeah, for longer usernames it didn't really do anything.

Nah, asking it to do math is perfect. People are looking for emergent qualities and things it can do that they never expected it to be able to do. The fact that it could do somewhat successful math before despite not being a calculator was fascinating, and the fact that it can't now is interesting.

Let the devs worry about how good it is at what it is supposed to do. I want to hear about stuff like this.

I wasn't trying to make an argument or specific point, just share how I feel on the situation. if what I said contradicts itself, it is because I am not of one mind on this.

I don't think you did anything wrong. Despite that I am now motivated to not be a part of beehaw, and that feels bad. I think beehaw is great.

Maybe as far as the shock value but imo they are completely different. The bible verse is about absolute surrender to the christian god, where anything you might value as highly as god should be made lesser than him in your mind.

It seems like "kill the buddha" has the opposite intent, aggressively reject all notions of "other" or "authority" etc

They don't have the beefiest server ever, although most lemmy instances don't. I experienced that 404 page and a 502 page a few times over the last few days, there are just random moments, possibly due to high traffic, where it became inaccessible for a few minutes at a time.