duringoverflow

@duringoverflow@kbin.social
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meta is not here to promote open networks. They will do more harm than good. If you want to learn more about how google achieved it with the XMPP you can read the story here https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html written by one of the core developers.

i don't agree. I think it is important to maintain a blacklist instead of a whitelist where people would then submit what they need to add which will then will need to be approved etc. It will decrease the federated experience.

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meta (threads) will not support fediverse already. They said they will do in some later version. So for the completely practical part, you don't need to do anything right now.

you missed the point where the open source devs were in a constant race to adapt to all the google-"innovations" and actually troubleshoot on them which ends up demotivating

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This will greatly enhance the intelligence of future generations and make education accessible to almost everyone on earth at a similar high level.

I don't think that accessibility in AI somehow correlates with the intelligence of the subjects using it. It can actually work in the completely opposite way where people blindly trust it or people get used to using it in a degree that they're unable to do anything without the help from the technology. Like people who are unable to navigate 2 blocks from their house if they don't use google maps navigation even though they do the same route every day.

you can actually see even the username/passwords when one user logins

sure. It has nothing to do with the fact that in one of cases they are 5 billionaires while in the other one they are 750 poor migrants. No, totally not.

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I’m a software engineer

if you're a software engineer you should had known to make constructive comments and also most importantly realise that you are on a Non-commercial open source one-man-project. Your attitude is disgusting and you sound like the guys that nobody wants to work with. Nobody forces you to be here and you're welcome to go and please take your cancer with you on your way out.

you don't need to visit the pages of the other instances directly. If you visit them, then no, the same login is not working.

But you can find the content of other instances inside your "own" instance. For example the main community of that instance can be found here https://kbin.social/m/feddit@feddit.online

hm, it actually shouldn't be public at all

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thanks for reminding us!

there is an inconsistency I have noticed between kbin and lemmy in the format that such links are presented. The problem is in the exclamation mark. In lemmy it is required to show it is a community, however here it is not

For example if you write it as https://kbin.social/m/formula1@lemmy.ml you'll see it works. (Ok, the content is outdated because of the known problems but the you get the point)

so you think that 2 governments would had started spending millions if 5 migrants had somehow been trapped in the seabed of the Mediterranean?

if you live in europe, the Mediterranean sea is you know, right next to you. And way much closer than the distance of the titanic to the shore in America, which is about 1000 nautical miles.

I also use Cloudflare for caching and protection

looks like you weren't here the previous days. There is serious problem with cloudflare and federation since cloudflare will start blocking all the attempts of other intances trying to communicate with your instance. The browser JS validation, has to be turned off.

this seems so messed up. I like kbin, don't get me wrong, but I consider this to be a bug, not a feature. When you have upvotes and downvotes one next to the other, you (a user) expect these 2 to do the exactly opposite action. Not one of them just add something in your favourites while the other starts negating another user's karma.

exactly. However people tend to believe that the AI slipped and admitted by mistake that it do have an account and then it tried to hide it again.

while I would say I belong to the dark-theme cult, there are some applications/websites that I cannot get used to them in dark mode. Like github or slack for example in which everything else than they light theme looks strange in my eyes.

@_noncomposmentis

your first example does find the community https://kbin.social/search?q=starcitizen%40lemmy.ml

you're right about the second one in which it doesn't find anything. I suspect it has to do with the known issues with cloudflare which prevents federation to work correctly and I believe it will be solved in the near future

its not that simple. If for example you want to join m/technology and the community in your own instance is empty, a new user will think that there are not users/traffic. You need to explain them somehow that the m/technology@another-instance is different community even though that they share kind of the same name (first part of the name).

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it is still like that. After 2 days. I actually believe that such low effort "contributions" to the fediverse are causing more harm than good.

kind of agree. I cannot think of any way that this could be overcome. Something like having "default" communities but then this breaks the federalization. Where would this community be hosted and does this mean that there is a central entity? But still need at least a better search where one can easier discover communities from other instances. It is very tricky indeed

I replied to his question why he was getting downvotes. I didn't downvote him. What do you expect from your comment though?

it depends what you consider as consequence. For me, setting up a clear boundary between what is now known as fediverse and whatever it is this that meta will create is not consequence but choice.

Is that content being updated, though?

did you read my comment till the end?

in this case we don't talk about users who want to block users of another instance. The problem is not the users of meta. The problem is meta itself and all the problems it will bring to the federated network. Whoever cannot see that their intentions are not to promote federated networks but to exploit and extinguish them, is just naive.

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this argument makes sense only if you're talking about defederating instances. It doesn't make sense here. The problem is not whether we want the users of meta's instances. The problem is whether we want a huge corp be part of the fediverse. And why are we talking about it? Because people are trying not being naive and believing that meta is here because they liked the ideas of a federated network and want to participate. Meta will cause more harm than good as it has already happened in the past in different technologies/projects.

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the defederation has nothing to do with "reducing meta's number". The reason to defederate is so you're not playing their game with their own rules. Fediverse will gain absolutely nothing by playing meta's game.

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i'm not here for the ton of content that meta will produce. If I wanted this content I would had been there in the first place. It looks like somebody else is in the wrong place and is dreaming of a fediverse full of brands trying to promote their products and the influencers pretending they are real life advertisements.

its funny that you measure value by that metric.

what you (and other likeminded people) haven't understood is that these 2 are 2 different topics. Defederating with meta is not because people don't want to be near the users of meta. It is because meta is a huge corp and it is not here to promote the idea of a federated network. It is here to make profit and to exploit the network. Allowing them to be part of the same network will just cause harm to the network itself in the end.

I suggest you reading this article https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html which is the story of how google killed XMPP, written by one of the XMPP core developers. I believe you will see the similarities.

@asjmcguire

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i think there is a way to move your account from one instance to another, but even if there is a way, it wouldn't cover the case that an instance is already offline. Yes, generally speaking it is nice and correct approach to "choose a smaller instance", but when you don't know who runs it behind, it is actually other problems that come up, as you already know first hand.

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agree. You start thinking what if the one you randomly chose is the problematic one, what if they don't follow best/good privacy/security practices, what if they are not an active collective/person and they forget updating their instance etc. Then you start thinking again: ok I'll go to the "main", default one, it must be a safe choice, you go there and you see that the main one has closed the registrations and you are still in the same position.

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this is not that simple. If a user joins an instance that has only a few users they will get disappointed because it will look empty and non-active. They need to understand that they can still join communities from another instances where they can find more users and activity and they can still interact with them

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ignore the exclamation mark when searching in kbin.

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it already works, partially. You can go to search and try pasting "asklemmy@lemmy.ml" . You need only the community name, if you paste the whole URL it is not working. Then, if you click on the community name's, you are transferred to https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.ml which is essentially the content from that community, but "inside" your current instance. The problem now is that this content is stuck in 2 days ago, when the issue with cloudflare started. When fixed, content will start being updated

@ComicSads @ChimpanzeeThat @Kichae @CMLVI

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what am I writing wrong?

your comment didn't offer anything. Good for you for learning JS I guess, but what did you expect from this comment?

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