Not sure elon could afford the cloud bills if mrbeast actually did that
fross
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This is not the case in places outside the US.
I think in terms of link aggregation, there is going to be a fair amount of duplication necessary to get a critical mass of links/content here, that people can interact with. After all, 1% post, 9% comment, 90% lurk.
I'm not suggesting we automate it, but in order to kickstart some communities I'm certainly going to be copying links from some good subs on reddit (if they're open) over here. After all they're just links to other articles/media/etc, they're not exclusive to reddit.
It would be good if everyone who comes over here and subscribes to some communities sees that there are posts going on there. It only takes a couple or a few active people to make a buzz.
Pretty sure it's going to be some kind of "tipping" system, where it can be traded for real money.
Cue massive invasion by bot farms, this always happens when there is money to be made from posting/generating something. It's going to go downhill so fast.
Honestly, after literally over 30 years on the internet, I can safely say that this idea of bringing everyone together into one space, that will make both the space and the people better, does not work. Even back in the 90s it affected the signal to noise ratio badly. Now there are significant sets of bad actors, shitposting/meta and general noisy ignorance and hate that can easily, easily drown out any decent signal. It's like a permanent Eternal September.
Think of this like the subject of tolerance - typically criticised that as a philosophy, in that it would thus tolerate the very things that would undermine and destroy it. Rather, it is not a philosophy, but a social contract - if you don't use tolerance yourself, others are not bound to be tolerant of you. Of course, I'm not talking about being tolerant/intolerant here, but using the quality of engagement and participation in a community, as a barometer for whether that user should be engaged in that community.
Some barriers to entry are self-selection for appropriate users, and therefore a good thing - whether through obscurity, level of engagement, education or whatever. Without these, everything gets overrun and crushed. We haven't yet found a good self-moderating system for online communities that provides everyone with a positive and fulfilling experience.
Threads can be Threads. The fediverse can be the fediverse. No-one is forced to choose just one, and trying to force them together is going to crush the fediverse. Lemmy has about 20,000 active users. Threads got 30 million signups in 24 hours.
Given the relative scales, it's best to put protection in place, then wait and see.
If Threads is a positive place, we open up and nothing is lost.
If Threads is a(nother) cesspit of hate and bots, then we have protected ourselves from it.
I did with my S10+, so you definitely could more recently.
Having said that I'm finding the crud much reduced on my S23, like they don't try to push bixby down your throat every 10 seconds.
To all the men saying they're comfortable enough in jeans / chinos / whatever... you should TRY wearing a dress in a hot summer. There is a little bit of adjusting to get used to it, but after that damn they feel amazing. Women are so lucky to wear these whenever they want to.
You can of course decide you're comfortable enough in whatever, but an informed decision is always the better thing.
It is very easy to argue that network convergence is NOT a good thing. That's the whole point of the "embrace, extended, destroy" point you responded to.
The mainstream ARE the crazies now, though. The outliers, and only some of the outliers, are sensible, smart people.
I trust the 1,000 security engineers at AWS, for example, far more than I trust myself to build, maintain and harden a solution that needs to withstand an attack so heavy it could penetrate AWS or an equivalent.
I disagree entirely, that's simply incorrect. You can observe whether it is a cesspool or not whether you federate or not. The federation will not affect it at all. Everyone is able to go and use Threads, we won't need to rely on "random screenshots or hearsay", or to federate in order to see whether it's good or not.
It's an unknown quantity, 1000x bigger than the current fediverse. If we federate then block, there is just a mess to clean up. And you know the first few days are going to be a nightmare anyway, as they are with any social media platform, while the controls spin up and new ways to abuse them are found.
The benefit to doing it early is to let it land and let the smoke clear before making a judgement, without creating a mess for existing users. This is really obvious.
Up to 70 million as of a day ago https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/meta-s-threads-has-70-million-signups-surprising-zuckerberg
I'm not concerned how many of these are real users - all the shills, the bots, are even worse than real users as they will just be spewing their propaganda around as much as possible.
Adding ONE million users overnight to the fediverse would be disruptive enough, 10x the biggest day from the influx from reddit. We're looking at orders of magnitude more than that.
As you said, "if it is problematic for a day or two". It could be enormously problematic.
You fail to understand the benefit, and I don't need to convince you, it's still correct :)
My s23 ultra totally smokes iphones on camera quality, battery life, and screen. UI is of course subjective and people like what they're used to.
You need to read the room. Some subs lean more one way than another, along every axis.
It's not "the internet", it's other people, so you do need to treat them with respect, your own wishes on how to behave don't overrule theirs. If you get banned, you obviously didn't read the room.
Kudos for sharing this. Hopefully others can learn from it too.
That game looked great, it annoyed me it was a PS exclusive.
how painful was the transition?
I particularly like lastpass' autocomplete on chrome, firefox and android apps
I agree with all of this.
I think you didn't understand my comment. " thousands of lemmy users being drowned out by millions of Threads users, who are a different demographic, have different goals for the platform" specifically.
This. I mean, you have to expect the community who built the thing to be excited by the thing, but if they want it to be a broader community, then the emphasis has to be on what gets the crowd engaged.
Having said that, I don't think this or any platform should try to be all things to all men. It should have an identity and a focus, and it may not be for everyone - other communities will be right for other people.
I don't agree with this notion of "facebook content" vs "fediverse" content or anything like that. Content is just content, it's links, it's media, whatever. It's not "facebook shit" any more than reddit shit or lemmy shit. Content is a by-product of the users, so who/what the userbase is is extremely important - and that is why how it is marketed, who it appeals to and so forth, and the relative scale. thousands of lemmy users being drowned out by millions of Threads users, who are a different demographic, have different goals for the platform, and so forth, is the real issue.
You acknowledge that you have moved on from platforms when facebook/meta have got involved, and you're welcome to take your decisions on this, but it runs into problems in a federated environment where the goal is to increase interoperability by default.
Don't get me wrong, I think our goals are the same, to have an environment where people can talk and share links that is relatively exclusive / for like-minded people. I just don't think the angle of facebook/not facebook is the right one (tbh I would go further - I would not integrate, but not because of the provenance/company, but because of the users' expectations coming over from Threads)
It's not about Zuckerberg, it's about the userbase. With something that grew to 30 million users literally overnight, it's impossible to determine what it will be like, and how it will mesh with the existing fediverse content/users.
With something this scale, it only makes sense to secure and observe - pre-emptively block, watch the content, maybe even poll the users on what should be done. There is nothing to be lost this way, it's only a cautious approach towards a potential later link.
What could be lost is the Threads community overwhelms the lemmy community before there is a chance to react (it is 1000x bigger, after all). It makes sense to be cautious, here.
This isn't inconveniencing anyone, any user can make an account on Threads as well and use both right now.