I'm gonna come out and say, even with the statement, I'm not in favor of preemptive defederation like this.

I know the admins of an instance are hosting us basically out of the goodness of their own hearts, and I appreciate that. And I understand they can do whatever they want, and we can move to a different instance if we want. I get it.

But I joined .world because I wanted a neutral instance that would connect with pretty much everyone unless they were particularly problematic. Could hexbear be particularly problematic? Sure, maybe. But I think there's a big difference between defederating in response to a problem and defederating in anticipation of a potential problem, especially since the users aren't given a chance to discuss it. Like, I know we're not technically entitled to give our input if we're not admins, but I think it would be nice, y'know?

If it was just some small instance of trolls that's one thing, but hexbear is actually quite a big instance, so this is a very impactful decision. I don't like it being made preemptively behind the scenes like this.

Sure, I'm aware of idiots on the internet, but if we tried to avoid idiots on the site we wouldn't federate with anyone. Lemmy.world is specifically billed as a "generic Lemmy server for everyone to use," I want the gates to be open fairly wide, that's why I'm here. Not for everyone, like I'm glad we defederated with exploding heads, but we still gave them a shot first and there was at least some more community discussion on it before that decision was made. That's what would make me feel a lot better about this.

The thing is that kind of example assumes that it is cancer. Which is something I'm not happy assuming yet, especially without discussion.

Hexbear has over 20k users. I find it hard to believe they're all Russian trolls, or even that most of them are.

No reason? McConnell works to make the lives of thousands of people worse, on purpose. The world would be better if he wasn't in it. Seems like enough reason to me.

Yup I can even post comments first try, without getting an error! Things are working well!

Sure, but having fewer accounts is easier: that's the whole purpose of federation in the first place, isn't it?

It's fine now, but I haven't been on Lemmy for that long, and I don't want to have to make a new account every few months to see a new instance.

That first bullet is saying "don't do stuff that's going to get us defederated" to their users, no? It's a bit tongue in cheek but I feel like it's not as aggressive as some people are describing. The whole server came from a subreddit that was very memey/shitpost.

Well the server is described up at the top as a "generic Lemmy server for everyone to use," which feels like it's setting up to be a pretty neutral stance.

Well yeah, I already said I know that's the go-to if you don't like one instance. But I'd still like to be able to express my opinions before doing that. It's not that big a deal but I'd still ideally rather not, y'know?

But the system also makes it so that when people act purely selfishly for money, that it results in good outcomes for everyone.

Why do you think this??

Look at all the constant environmental disasters and harmful products that happen because corporations did the math and determined that paying a few million to lawsuits every once in a while is cheaper than being more careful. "Voting with your wallet" does not work because the big corporations undercut the competition and bombard us with advertising to ensure they will win no matter what.

Hell, most of us are on here because Reddit started doing scummy things in the name of money, and we're a tiny fraction of their userbase; Reddit is still unfortunately doing pretty much fine. Is that the best outcome for everyone?

And don't forget that there are a lot of regulations passed in the last hundred years that were necessary because corporations were doing stuff like dumping so many chemicals into our waterways that rivers would constantly catch fire. This is what happens with unfettered capitalism.

I'm not really seeing it to be honest. That first bullet point there seems pretty clearly saying to their users to not be a problem so that they don't get defederated.

I'm sure you can find someone calling to brigade such and such on there somewhere but they have over 20 thousand users total. That's a lot of people to rule out.

Regulations are indeed an important part of managing our system as it is, but they're fundamentally a bandaid to the problems of capitalism.

You gotta catch the corporations doing a bad thing and then tell them not to do it, meanwhile they're buying politicians to fight against you on it. And it still doesn't stop them from committing actions that are horribly unethical and extremely damaging to our society and to the environment, they just tone it down a bit at best, or occasionally they'll have to put a small fraction of their money into a lawsuit without actually changing their behavior.

I'm replying to this on Jerboa right now, so I would assume there's a way, yeah.

It'll be finished when the servers are stable

Yeah I can't blame them for posting content. It's not ideal that 169 and shitposting take up 80% of my feed, but it's better than nothing, right?

Yeah Jerboa was rough for a bit there but it's been working really well for the past few days.

Well, the main thing is that they're killing BaconReader. I've used BaconReader for about a decade now, it just isn't the same without it.

And then when I came over here to try Lemmy out, I found it's pretty nice here. Especially with all the protest infighting Reddit has been pretty toxic lately. Or always, I guess.

And there are third party apps allowed here!

Yeah it's become my go-to because it works well now. Still keeping some other apps installed but I'm pretty happy with Jerboa at the moment.

The slaves don't own capital because they are the capital!

Nowhere in the definition of capitalism does it require that everyone owns capital; in fact it's much more the opposite.

I can't log into Jerboa with my .world account at all right now. Just doesn't work.

Edit: works now. Huh, damn, it's going pretty fast, too.

Yeah anyone have a recipe?

I mean I can probably figure it out but I may as well ask.

I look forward to talking about my first few weeks on Lemmy in years to come: "Back then I had to use an app that was in alpha and wait ten minutes to load a page full of bean memes! And then we got hacked!"

I've found they usually show up in my inbox eventually.

Wait

Ah, I've misinterpreted, I first saw this post on kbin, but it's a Lemmy post, so of course I can see it on Lemmy.

In that case I dunno. Will kbin posts be viewable on Lemmy, since the reverse is now possible?

Update: I seem to have found a way to view AskKbin on Lemmy/Jerboa, though only a few posts are actually showing up. Is this even intended behavior?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5ddf7eb1-f350-4b9a-a59c-1852cde49d64.png

Yup. If we're talking regulations then regulations on how much corporations can donate to politicians should be top of the list (and ideally that amount should be zero), but obviously both the politicians and the corporations like that donations are totally allowed, making it difficult to pass such things...

Pending is the same as subscribed, at least functionally. You'll still get the posts in your subscribed feed. I think it's just a visual thing.

Thanks for the info. Trying to upvote you and it's not working lol. Assuming that's not intended.

Good title OP

We're still young. You gotta make one yourself!

I've grown fond of Connect's UI pretty quickly. However, ever since they fixed whatever was going on with Jerboa recently, it's actually been working very well, really smooth and responsive. So I'm on Jerboa right now.

We've found them. The AmITheAsshole submitter.

Sure, Lemmy's mobile website is great if you compare it to the atrocity that is the Reddit mobile website, which is really just an ugly and annoying advertisement for their app. But having a dedicated app for something I use a lot is nice.

It's sad in a way, but I've put Connect into the spot where BaconReader used to be.

Yeah, tried it and it's... very rough. Which is understandable, since it's new!

I'm using Jerboa right now, and I'll definitely try the app that the Sync for Reddit developer is making once that comes out. I tried a few Reddit apps too but I liked BaconReader the best, so I'll see what I like most for Lemmy once things settle a bit and the apps aren't so rough around the edges.

I've been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.

I'm not sure I understand, does that go both ways or just for Lemmy looking at Kbin? And is that intended behavior or a bug? Doesn't sound like that'll work very well.

Huh, it wasn't coming up in a search for me. I had to try searching for it like three times and the first time I clicked your link I got a server error. Well, I guess the Lemmy servers are a bit screwy right now. Thanks for the link!

I assume that creating a whole server/instance takes some kind of resources and cost, but I think just opening a community is free? I haven't tried it yet though.

I heard about the versions thing. Before this morning it was crashing a lot, but not completely unusable.

If I install from somewhere other than the play store, can I still update from the play store later, or will I have to uninstall and reinstall again? Installing from outside the play store isn't a dealbreaker for me, but since I also have other Lemmy apps installed to use in the meantime, I've been figuring I'd just wait it out, if it'll be a hassle.

Thanks for the help tho!

I love BaconReader to death, so you've just sold it for me. Gonna go try it.

Please do! I miss looking at Tumblr posts.

... Not enough to actually go on Tumblr, though.