Right? Like great, vote for the GOP, they will definitely care about Arab policies. /s
Foolish and short sighted. Sorry but 2/3 of the US population supports Israel in this conflict, and likely all of the remaining 1/3 is from the young liberal left. Biden is an old democrat, expecting any other result was naive.
But sure, elect an authoritarian Trump. Then instead of protesting, just get thrown in a camp for not being white and christian.
This is why stochastic terrorism should be taken more seriously.
Good thing Hamas never lies or we would have no idea who to trust.
Like when “500 people” died in that hospital parking lot from that IDF bomb that totally didn't look like a failed Hamas rocket explosion. /s
Well more than 1… but also form and motive are important here.
The “1” was an innocent woman who was raped, tortured, and murdered slowly and publicly to spread terror because she was at a music festival.
The “3000” are civilian casualties of war because said terrorists are hiding behind them as a combat strategy.
Both are horrible, but you are making a false equivalency.
Religion, plus they were an easy minority to scapegoat historically.
It is varied and complicated throughout history-
Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in Ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
Muslim antisemitism which was—at least in its classical form—nuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
Political, social and economic antisemitism during the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the new antisemitism
Christians have some historical antisemitism because the Jews are blamed for crucifying Jesus.
Muslims i have less knowledge, but i know in modern times they hate the founding of Israel among other reasons pertaining to “conflicting sky daddy”
Also for some other context, many practicing Jews kept traditions that made them stand out in the past. Leading to negative (and often false) stereotypes.
Lastly, it doesn't help that they proclaim themselves God’s chosen people in the eyes of outsiders.
Edit: corrected mistake
Even if it was an iron dome rocket, which is not impossible; it was not targeting the hospital. It was targeting a hostile missile launch.
I also trust international orgs fatality reports more than local sources on this one.
Y’all keep talking about war crimes, but Hamas is not even distinguishing themselves from civilians which is the basis from where almost every other IHL rule stems.
Well the other crazy thing with voting is how narrow the margins are.
It doesn’t have to convince everyone. Only a small percentage across the country mixed with a few people in key locations and you can change everything.
2 quotes come to mind
The problem:
“you cant reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into.”
And the solution:
”He drew a circle that shut me out- Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout. But love and I had the wit to win: We drew a circle and took him In!”
You have to draw a bigger circle. It is the way to deprogram people from that tribalistic mentality. Teaching them and “winning” debates will not work.
I came from reddit like many of the others. So far i went to gaming and world news mostly. I peeked around the meme and shitpost ones too.
Im also looking for new communities. They seem smaller but more interactive.
While i do not wholly agree with your last sentence, i do respect your balanced view. Making any war one of “good vs. evil” is dangerous a step toward dehumanizing the enemy and it only gets worse from there.
Also i agree Israel’s response has been very strong and cold, but i believe they were not left with many choices.
Things could not return to status quo with Gaza after the attack on the 7th and there was no clean option left for them. Diplomacy failed over and over for decades. Both sides share blame for the diplomatic breakdown, but Israel has no allies and many enemies in the region and must project strength to keep opportunists away.
Sounds like a seafood trade embargo with extra excuses.
Nice info. I couldn't remember the details about the connection with money lending and banking, but I was trying to refer to it with the stereotypes and standing out.
Also, you are right and i edited my comment about Jews being responsible for crucifying Jesus because it is something i was taught and i know people believe it, but I am not trying to spread that information as fact.
Oh shit, what was my safe word again? LET ME OUT!
My worst imagination is a nefarious entity using our data to determine if we are a threat or try and categorize people for some kind of psyop manipulation.
Something like Captain America Winter Soldier but more realistic. Even things like Cambridge Analytica show it is not that far fetched.
While social media companies and amazon may not have the desire to do those things, they sure make it easier for others by greedily collecting the data.
Lol he has been in politics for like 50 years.
While your at it, why not look up your childhood friends? I’m sure they are in a phonebook.
Yeah, i mean that sounds great until 40% of the country gets so fanatical and dehumanizing that they decide the only choice is to fight a war.
I prefer finding common ground, deprograming, and forgiveness over violence unless that is the only path that remains.
Ok, but that is a whole plate of vein-in shrimp on decorative kale.
You do you Marie, but damn. There’s gotta be a better way.
Good thing he isn't currently a diplomat.
Also good thing Hamas founding principles don’t say anything about destroying Israel…
“The Day of Judgement will not come about, until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.” -Hamas Covenant
…oh.
I mean, that street goes 2 ways. Hamas could also release the hostages and surrender. That would also end the bombardment and let in people to take a tally.
But it literally says in your quote that Hamas exerts authority. It would be foolish to assume they wouldnt use every source of outrage they could get.
Nope, the hostages are from all over the world because Hamas targeted civilians at a music festival.
Unlike IDF who are targeting war assets that are conveniently located beneath schools, mosques, hospitals, and apartments.
Which is why i dont trust Gaza data. They want civilians to die to spread propaganda against Israel so people like you can have talking points.
I was addressing the previous statement saying the ministry was not a part of Hamas when their own article clearly states -an agency in the Hamas-controlled government-
The article also said that their data was wrong in a story everyone remembers a week ago with the hospital.
Obviously a lot of people are being killed, I am not saying they aren’t. But accurate sources are important.
Hamas is also committing countless warcrimes.
“1. In order to ensure respect for and protection of the civilian population and civilian objects, the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives…
Meanwhile the International Humanitarian Law clearly states:
“ 1. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
We can keep quoting the whole article.
Is relation to the hospital explosion:
“U.S. President Joe Biden said he had “no confidence” in the accuracy of the ministry’s reporting. However, the U.S. government’s annual human rights assessments from the region frequently cite the Gaza ministry.
Gaza’s Health Ministry stands by the 471 figure and includes it in the total death toll. When asked about conflicting accounts, authorities emphasize the difficulties of their work and vigorously deny any fabrication”
My takeaway is, they have been accurate historically and are used internationally, but they should be verified, especially after recent events.
Sorry, that was rude of me to say.
I mean people that would use that data/story to make Israel look like the aggressor and Palestine the victim, when it is not that black & white.
I don’t want kids on any side to die, but using kids as a shield to hide behind is really shitty. So while i want kids to be safe, my anger is directed at Hamas for using them. Not Israel for fighting a group that massacred it’s people 3 weeks ago.
Quotes from the article-
“Yet the Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government continues to tally casualty numbers….
In previous wars, the ministry's counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel's tallies.
But an outlier is the ministry’s death toll from an explosion at al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City last week.”
So while they have been trustworthy im the past, i still would prefer some third-party oversight after that hospital story. They threw their credibility and caught a bunch of news orgs with their pants down for trusting them.
Also shady that the number dead in Gaza comes from “The Ministry of Health in Gaza” aka Hamas controlled data.
Why should we trust a Ministry of Health in Gaza? Are they not a part of Hamas?
Edit: they even say later: “Save the Children is an independent, impartial organisation. With the ongoing complete siege of Gaza, journalists and international organisations are not able to get access to Gaza to verify independently and provide updated data on the impact of ongoing bombardment on the civilian population.”