I love both Mastodon and Lemmy, but they usually don't federate very well with each other, so one cannot replace the other: Lemmy users cannot see microblog posts which aren't connected to any community and Mastodon doesn't show the body of Lemmy posts. Currently trying out Friendica, which manages all parts of the Fediverse reasonably well.

@Deme
Okay so I asked Thomas, and he said he didn't think so, but that it did get sluggish here and there ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It actually isn't that big. It grew a lot initially because people on Instagram were practically forced to join (or so I've heard), but then activity died down very quickly (www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/tech/th…).

I'd say the ability to interact with the high-profile accounts on threads via Masto makes it a much more attractive alternative for many, although I personally have no interest in doing so.

For some weird reason in the implementation of the AP protocol, lemmy posts are seems as just a link on mastodon, the replies are complete though.

ActivityPub allows two post formats, Notes and Articles. Articles support titles and therefore posts on Lemmy and threads on /kbin use them, while notes do not and are therefore used for microblogging and commenting. Currently Mastodon's article federation only goes so far as linking the post for content, and to be honest I'm doubtful whether Threads will federate Articles at all given their carefulness with federation.

hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/1115…

(still think it's pretty neat that I can talk to both Lemmy and Mastodon using the same account)

@grue So I went into the KYM page, and I found this T_T

knowyourmeme.com/photos/202814…

Nice

Friendica does this already! This is how I see your comment:

Writing this from Friendica. I have never used Facebook, so I'm not entirely sure how people use it. BUt if you want to use a ethical platform to organise events, the best option is probably Mobilizon. If it is for general information and entertainment, I recommend Friendica (or Mastodon, which is smoother, but less flexible).

Yes, but they only see the title and a link to the original post in place of a body.

By all means, fuck Meta to the moon and back, but for goodness' sake, users on federated servers can choose to block the domain with the same result, not to mention that admins can simply restrict it (see social.coop/@eloquence/1115888…). It just isn't so black and white as people are making it seem.

Federation with a bigger platform is realistically the only way for Fedi to become mainstream, and at the moment Meta seems at least to be trying to be communicative. And with their quite unvaluable userbase they really don't have enough leverage against the privacy-concious Fediverse to turn AP into MetaPub. For now.

Only now do I realise how wrongly this image can be captioned

@clgoh They haven't even embraced yet and they're extending already. Nice.

No, I mean that admins select instances that are blocked by default for users. Kinda like a soft defederation.

Clarification, because people keep misunderstanding my point: What I'm advocating for is replacing most defederation with some sort of "soft defederation" in which instance admins can select domains which are blocked by default for the users, but which they can unblock afterwards if they want to.

Me too. I'm simply trying to spark ideas for devs to give admins more options for how they can run their instances (and also trying to convince admins about what's best for the Fediverse).

Yeah, say that to Biden...

Thanks a lot for this list! My only comment is that I prefer Mull over Fennec because it's a lot more hardened.

@Plume
Nah you're fine, a gross is a pretty dated term for describing a dozen dozens, i.e. 144. I thought it was something Tolkien made up before I got into dozenal.

Thing about the Fediverse is that software is just software; what you should care about is the instances. There are a whole bunch of Mastodon instances that have already defederated long ago. A few big ones include mas.to, mstdn.social and troet.cafe; you can find the rest here: fedipact.veganism.social/.

Content isn't cached unless someone follows it anyways.

And I'm not sure what you mean with that latter part; what difference would this make in what content admins can see before they cast their judgement on a server?

If you have a criticism, I'm all ears.

I hear you, and that's why I'm suggesting the implementation of default instance blocks before more open federation.

It really depends on the instance. There are many cozy, non-mainstream corners on the Fediverse. For instance, beehaw.org is as pleasant as can be.

Yeah unfortunately I can't because I'm on Friendica and Lemmy is annoying in that it treats images differently from the rest of the Fediverse.

This link should work: files.catbox.moe/stvn1w.jpg

Also,

We are on lemmy.

I'm not ;)

@Bebo
You can always migrate, but sadly there is no way to import your profile directly from Mastodon. The two best apps, Fedilab and Relatica, are fine but rather limited in functionality, so I often end up using the web version.

Developing is not for everyone.

And I posted this in microblog format via Friendica specifically so that it would also (primarily) reach Mastodon. It's got 27 boosts, which is quite alright for such a long post!

I'd like to add that the developers' communication channels is a very inappropriate place to complain for someone who is uninvolved with the project.

(And you can tell that this is primarily directed at Mastodonians because the title is also the first line, because of the seemingly excessive explanation of how this place works and because of the hashtags and the mentions in the end of the post. Also, why would I specifically write to fedi tips if this was just a Lemmy post?)

@ttmrichter
Well it's not an actual issue; it's just my ideas of what would be better. If only I think it, why should they do anything? What I'm really trying to do is to see what people think and spark some thoughts.

Okay, that's entirely fair. I was mostly thinking about the microblogging side of the Fediverse and didn't quite consider the complexity that it would add to community moderation. I guess better moderation mechanisms could probably account for that, but Lemmy is as of now far away from that.

Edit: One might also solve that by not allowing soft defederated users to post in local communities.

No complaints so far. I'm not using many new features, but I really like the new user interface.

You can't on Lemmy because content outside of communities doesn't federate. But outside of that, most Fediverse platforms let you follow Lemmy communities and users, alongside everything else on the Fediverse. I can only recommend doing that on kbin and Friendica (which I'm on), though, since most other platforms don't federate Lemmy's post content.

But I still regularly catch a Mastodonian in the Lemmy comment section and occasionally even a post from one (They post here by tagging the community, by the way). @aumalatj here below you is a Mastodonian, for instance.

There are great sites like fediseer.com to keep track of suspicious instances. And if those users see illegal content they can report it to the admins.

No, why? I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of accounts that a lot of people want to follow who are very unlikely to ever move to non-corporate social media.

The thing is, you don't really see anything from the Microblogging Fediverse around here at all, do you, so why would you from Threads? And Meta will only explicitly collect your data if you follow one of their accounts, which is impossible from Lemmy. So in a Lemmy context it is quite irrelevant.

That's not how federation works. If you're on an instance that doesn't allow Threads, you won't see them at all, even when viewing posts coming from other instances.

Well I said that illegal content should still be defederated. And I don't think soft defederated content has to be moderated, since it's only a number of users who choose to see it.

Sure thing, here you go:

nerdica.net/photos/masimatutu/…

You know that if you actively blocked the instances that are federated with Threads you wouldn't have seen this post, right (lemmy.world/instances)? I'm also only active on instances that block Threads, but blocking those who don't is an excessive measure.