The party did back him, all the more reason she's not going to be a viable candidate. I'd also point out that just because the party backed him doesn't negate the fact that the people voted for him.

Katie Porter just got beat. As much as I love her I don't know why you think she'd be a strong National candidate when she couldn't win a state race.

Trump will never debate Newsome. He probably won't debate Biden again.

67% is massive what are you talking about? When you were gearing up for it I thought you were going to give away lower number and then you said that holy crap. Now I'm even more convinced he should still run.

Thank you for your pivotal contribution to the conversation.

We're pretty clearly talking about presidential primaries here buddy.

I have no faith in them be able to pass something like this. Not when this is what the Republicans have been dreaming of for the last 50 years. But I hope they keep trying.

Completely disagree. First of all there's a difference in Reagan Era and Reagan endorsed. However it's not just Chevron we're talking about here. It's the idea of dismantling the regulatory state in general. That's much older than Chevron. That sentiment can be traced back to Phyllis Schlafly. That sentiment can be traced back to the John Birch Society. That sentiment can be traced back to the business plot.

You're going to have to prove that. I want to see numbers.

It's basically just depends if you stayed tuned. I mean I have perfect sympathy for someone who watched the first 15 or 20 minutes and then turn it off because you know damn. However the longer it went the worst Trump got and Biden kind of leveled out though never got impressive by any means.

Is there a word to be People's Will pilled? Cause that's where I'm heading.

The only one likely to lose? I think you have your facts confused on that one.

That's neither literal nor a fact.

Hard disagree. This wasn't unusual. Presidential debates are notorious for moderators being ineffectual and unwilling to challenge lies.

That's cuz Biden ran unopposed.

No it's literally not what I said or implied. If you think Gavin Newsom is staying out of this because he's worried about having his career torpedoed you're nuts. I said political reasons because it's political reasons. For his own personal political benefit. I think that should have been obvious. If Newsome wanted to run he'd be running. I doubt Biden would be in this race if Newsome was running. He would have stepped aside. If for some reason he hadn't, the party would have pushed him aside.

They did? That's weird I remember voting in them just like I do every 4 years.

Despite what people on Lemmy are saying there was a primary. Votes were cast and delegates are obligated to vote accordingly at least on the first ballot. Short of Biden stepping down there is no avenue to replace him at the convention.

I don't see how a crowd would have helped Biden. In fact the Dems requested this since they felt Trump feeds off of crowds.

No serious politician chose to participate. Either for their own political reasons (Newsome) or because they preferred Biden as a better and more strategic option (Sanders). It's still a primary when you don't like the choices. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise.

Yep, that was so much worse than I ever imagined it was going to be.

It's very important not to practice self-deception in these kind of things

Thanks for setting this monkey paw off there buddy

Pretty sure after tonight my congressional representative is thrilled that Biden is the one running.

I just expect he'll do whatever Papa Putin tells him to do. That or rape someone again.

Trump won't agree to a debate with a new candidate. I doubt that there be another debate at all as is.

Bet

So Trump's going to be reelected. I don't even know if I want to keep watching this this is just sad

I'm kind of reminded of that West Wing episode, where Leo McGarry keeps leaking stories about how bad he's going to be. That seem to be exactly what Trump did this last week or two. Or the people around Trump probably. Cuz as much as he's lying piece of shit he's staying on his message, which admittedly I wasn't sure he could do. On the other hand Joe Biden is a train wreck. This is extremely demoralizing.

I'm not complaining about it and I don't have to perpetuate it. It's just a fact. It's not a scenario we can change. If you want it to be based on substance you should read position papers. Oratory has always and will always be performative. That will never change, because that's its nature.

Yeah the problem I think with the idea they can nominate someone else at the convention are that I believe the delegates are obligated under the first ballot to vote as they were voted. So Biden's going to win the first ballot. There's no way not to have that happen. If there were enough other candidates that the first ballad wasn't enough to reach the threshold then yeah they could all change their votes after. That's just not the case because nobody ran against Joe Biden. Or nobody worth even the time it would take to spell their name properly here.

Debates aren't about substance unfortunately, debates are performance. That's all people take away from them. Information needs to be conveyed but it's got to be conveyed in a way that resonates.

Yeah of course that's his message, what are you new here?

It's amazing how often the Israeli military does that. They're all just Mavericks. Loose cannons. Not you know in the heroic kind of way where they defy orders to save their comrades or rescue civilians though. In the commit war crimes type of way.

Don't accept his premise. It's completely incorrect. Statistics show that the vast majority of people getting student loan relief are not ultra wealthy, or even mildly wealthy, or Wealthy by any definition. Wealthy people don't need student loans. It's overwhelmingly people of lower middle class background or currently working in lower middle class jobs will receive student loan debt relief. People either just above just at or just below the poverty line.

Vaping scandal? I don't think that's how most people recognize it. Also I thought the district she left was less conservative. I thought she was in a safer District now. Is that not right?

Seems pretty lazy to deride a 50-year-old movie for not being diverse enough. I mean if that's where you are at as a journalist... fuck man.

Good. Frankly at this point if you're still on on Twitter I think it's suspicious.

"Vernon said the man threatened to kill him and called him a racial slur"

There it is. He felt like someone he thought was beneath him was giving him something and that upset his worldview.

So if I follow you right you're saying use Independent Media because they'll allow people to just blatantly lie? Is that your argument? Cuz it's not a very strong one.