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Random@kbin.social – 1 points – Personally, I'm not planning on using the Meta service, but I'm not a fan of pre-emptive defederation either. The vast majority of P92 users will have 0 clue what federation/activitypub is, let alone actually log into Lemmy, Mastodon, Kbin, etc. For them, they will forever think of themselves as @username, not @username.
I'm totally fine with Meta releasing an app who's posts are exposed via ActivityPub, along with being able to consume other posts via ActivityPub. If anything, I would like to think it'll drive more people off the Meta platform and into Mastodon, as moving to a federated app doesn't mean they have to completely break connections with their network on-platform with Meta.
Overall, I'm more in favour of allowing a personal user to choose to defederate from specific instances, because regardless of what happens, if Meta joins, there will be other companies getting on the bandwagon, and endlessly splitting up based of which instances federate with which others will eventually lead to the whole damn thing falling apart and the big players becoming the de-jure instances anyways.
I mean, the vast majority of Lemmy/Kbin users migrated from Reddit, as did the vast majority of Mastodon users from Twitter. I'm fine with keeping things open to help facilitate more user growth to community run instances, while also having a place for the less tech-savvy to get their feet wet.
People aren't seeing the forest for the trees here. Yeah, nobody likes Meta, but the larger impact of Bill C18 will be that sources like Google and other large aggregators will stop allowing links to legitimate news sources, and instead be flooded by blogspam and misinformation.
People won't suddenly be navigating to The Toronto Star when they don't get news on the latest updates in say the Corona virus in their immediate Google results, they'll just continue to click on through to whatever sketchy source manages to SEO their way to the top instead.
I love how expressive everything looks. It reminds me a bit of the older Sonic games (or Cuphead) in that there's a lot of personality there that New Super Mario Bros didn't have.
It's fine, but not great. It works in a pinch, but it doesn't feel nearly as smooth/integrated as a native app.
The more you call it a Reddit alternative, the more people will stop migrating over as the Reddit outrage cools down (and as much as spez can go fuck himself, he's right, it will pass). I think Mastodon had the same issue at the time of the Twitter migration, but lately it's been focussing more on the fact that good instances provide a nicer small community feel that's more reflective of the state of Twitter in 2008-2012 or so.
Advertise the community, not the drop-in replacement for another platform that will always be larger and more mainstream.
It's fine, but not great. It works in a pinch, but it doesn't feel nearly as smooth/integrated as a native app.
The look of Gameboy Camera posts always makes me insanely nostalgic. It's such a distinct look, and I loved mine back in the day (still think I have it stored somewhere in my closet).
Also cool: I found this Lemmy post via Kbin, then followed the Pixelfed user via my Mastdon account. Federation is cool.
This doesn't surprise me. The idea then might be to allow for people outside of their walled garden to follow (likely for big name accounts, celebrities, athletes, important people) etc, but not really be a true federated instance. In which case, I think defederating is even more pointless. Just let users on an instance follow who they want to follow.
I mean worst case you'll see @meta.com accounts in your Federated feed in Mastodon (which for pretty much every instance is already a complete mess), I don't even really see how it'll affect Lemmy or Kbin, as they're community driven rather than user driven. I follow users with Mastodon, I follow communities with Kbin.
I dunno, maybe I'm being necessarily optimistic, but I do have friends and family who are posting on Insta/FB, and I basically maintain an account there to keep up with them. I'd love to be able to keep that connection without having to actually be locked into Meta's platforms. And I do think at least a few of my tech savvy friends would be willing to give a client like Ivory a go if they're able to do the same.
They're behind React which has become pretty ubiquitous in the frontend dev space too.
This will essentially break Google News and the like in Canada. It's idiotic in so many ways.
I'm pretty sure the same thing happened to my printer. I ended up with a bunch of dumb photos, printed them out, and never used it again after that because I didn't want to buy more paper.
I'm all for anything that will provide an avenue for people to move off of corporate platforms. The average user doesn't care, but for some of the more tech-savvy FB/Insta/WhatsApp users who join it could be an interesting way to get their feet wet and maybe look to move to alternate platforms without leaving their contact behind completely.
Yeah, in theory if it's grown in sterile conditions, pretty much any lab grown meat should theoretically be safe to consume raw.
I posted this on Mastodon, but I completely disagree with the idea of defederating from Meta instances on principal for the same reason I don't want my Fastmail account to stop interacting with Gmail accounts just because I feel Google is too corporate. That defeats the entire purpose of open standards and federated content. I should be able to choose to personally block content from Meta instances if I want to, but it's to the detriment of the community to fracture the Fediverse just because it's starting to grow large enough to attract attention from one of the big tech companies.
The reality is, a federated Meta service would at least initially grow the idea of federated social media as a whole, and likely drive traffic to Kbin/Lemmy/Mastodon from people who want to get off of the Meta platforms, but don't want to cut contact with their friends/coworkers/enemies entirely. While I probably wouldn't make an account, I'd be interested in at least being able to follow a few of my friends who I actually have interest in seeing updates from via my Masto/Kbin accounts.
And I'm aware of the embrace/extend/extinguish paradigm, but premature defederation isn't the answer there either.
I'm an advocate for federated content for convenience, not on principal alone.
The official VR apps for Skyrim and Fallout 4 were lacking out of the box, but they're damn good experiences with mods.
Kbin/Lemmy and Mastodon remind me of Reddit and Twitter back when the communities on the platform felt more like, well, communities. I don't think Kbin is quite at the critical mass yet (and personally I don't like either Kbin or Lemmy's UIs, while I do love Ivory for Mastodon), but I'm actually really enjoying the platform. Hopefully it continues to grow organically.
Not yet, but I do think that is something that should be implemented by Kbin/Masto/Lemmy etc regardless of what Meta does. There will always end up being instances that cater to niches that specific users won't want to see/interact with. Again, personally I think that should be a user level decision, not a instance level one.
The look of Gameboy Camera posts always makes me insanely nostalgic. It's such a distinct look, and I loved mine back in the day (still think I have it stored somewhere in my closet).
Also cool: I found this Lemmy post via Kbin, then followed the Pixelfed user via my Mastdon account. Federation is cool.
Using the iMessage analogy, we're currently in a state where green bubbles can't interact with blue bubbles at all. Nobody should be expecting full interop with a corporate platform, but for the long run I'd rather have partial interop at arms length.
Embrace extend extinguish only applies if platform is so focused that it cannot sustain itself without the extend phase, and the extend phase cannot happen without something to embrace.
Reddit no longer refers to subreddits as subreddits officially, so I say it's free for the taking.
He and his team are also probably loving this just because it gives them content to talk about on the show. It's a win-win.