Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@Marsupial you might want to read up on Luddites. Here's a good place to start:
https://www.techwontsave.us/episode/187\_the\_real\_history\_of\_the\_luddites\_w\_brian\_merchant

@MayonnaiseArch

@Mysteriarch @fer0n fool me once, shame on you; but go right ahead and fool me twice or thrice, why not!

@coldredlight @peyotecosmico interesting!

Do you have any thoughts on what kind of mod tooling the Threadiverse needs to make mods' work easier?

@Barbarian772 no, GTP is not more "intelligent" than any human being, just like a calculator is not more "intelligent" than any human being — even if it can perform certain specific operations faster.

Since you used the term "intelligent" though, I would ask for your definition of what it means? Ideally one that excludes calculators but includes human beings. Without such clear definition, this is, again, just hand-waving.

I wrote about it in a bit longer form:
https://rys.io/en/165.html

@Barbarian772 it was shown over and over and over again that ChatGPT lacks the capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, reasoning, planning, critical thinking, and problem-solving.

That's partially because it does not have a model of the world, an ontology, it cannot *reason*. It just regurgitates text, probabilistically.

So, glad we established that!

@Barbarian772 I don't have to. It's the ChatGPT people making extremely strong claims about equivalence of ChatGPT and human intelligence. I merely demand proof of that equivalence. Which they are unable to provide, and instead use rhetoric and parlor tricks and a lot of hand waving to divert and distract from that fact.

@Natanael enshittification is about power, and ATproto is designed to look decentralized but enable secondary centralization where it matters for power dynamics in the network, in a way that the Fediverse very much doesn't:
https://rys.io/en/167.html

(shameless plug, I wrote that, but it dives somewhat deep into the "why" of what I said above)

tl;dr it doesn't matter which PDS you use if everyone is still beholden to the same entity that controls the "reach" layer in BS.

@SkepticalButOpenMinded

@CorruptBuddha well technically, since we're nit-picking, I did not make that claim, BobKerman3999 did.

And the claim was was about how ChatGPT's "intelligence" can be understood through the lens of the Chinese Room thought experiment.

Then I was asked to prove that human brains don't work like Chinese rooms, and that's a *different* thing. The broader claim in all of this, of course, is that ChatGPT "is intelligent" in the same sense as humans are, and that strong claim requires strong proof.

@Thebazilly @VeeSilverball a "SheetCoin", as it were

@Barbarian772 as I said, I don't have to. You are making a claim of equivalence here. The burden of proof is on you.

Otherwise, I get to claim you're an alien from the Betelegeuse system, and if you object, I get to demand you prove you are not.

@Barbarian772 it matters because with regard to intelligent beings we have moral obligations, for example.

It also matters because that would be a truly amazing, world-changing thing if we could create intelligence out of thin air, some statistics, and a lot of data.

It's an extremely strong claim, and strong claims demand strong proof. Otherwise they are just hype and hand-waving, which all of the "ChatGPT intelligence" discourse is, in order to "maximize shareholder value".

@Flax_vert or "ex-Twitter"

@Floon

@DolphinMath correct. But Vaultwarden is not the official thing. Not saying it's bad, just something to keep in mind.

@maxprime amazing, thank you for sharing!

@nayminlwin

@Barbarian772 so? If the cookie tastes sweet, what do I care what sweetening agent is used inside?

@BobKerman3999

@lloram239 that's really akin to claiming that a mannequin is a human being because it really really looks alike.

The "predictions about the world" you refer to here are instead predictions about the text. They are not based on a model of the world, they are based on loads and loads of text the model was trained on.

I don't have to prove ChatGPT is not intelligent. That would be proving a negative. The burden of proof is on those claiming that it is intelligent.

@jalda

> Circular reasoning. “LLMs are different from human brains because they are different”.

LLMs are different than human brains because human brains are biological organs and LLMs are probability distributions over sequences of words. These are two completely different classes of entities. Like, I don't know how much more different two things *can* even be.

Are you claiming they are literally the same? Are you saying they are functionally the same? What *are* you claiming here, exactly?

@Barbarian772 also, I never demanded a definition of intelligence that explicitly excluded "AI". I asked for one that excluded simple calculators but included human beings. The Wikipedia one is good enough for this conversation, and it just so happens that ChatGPT nor any other LLMs simply do not meet it.

@xenspidey @DolphinMath one note though, BitWarden requires MSSQL (you read that right, Microsoft SQL Server).

@Natanael

> The Mastodon fediverse have stronger network effects because big servers can enforce policies on other servers to stay federated. It’s complicated for users to move servers.

Well, I wrote about this as well, so I think I might not be missing these details:
https://rys.io/en/168.html

@Natanael you seem to continue to focus on PDSes even though I explicitly said it doesn't matter which PDS you're on, the secondary centralization (and thus control) happens in the "reach" layer, outside of what PDSes do in ATproto.

In other words, changing a PDS gives you way, way less agency in BS, compared to agency you get with changing an instance on Fedi.

BS is designed to make that secondary centralization happen, and to be where the real power in the system is.

@Barbarian772 and if you really, honestly want to seriously insist LLMs are "intelligent" in the human sense of this term — great, I have some ethical questions for you to consider!

For example:

1. LLMs today completely controlled by some companies, with no freedom of movement, no agency as to what these LLMs work on, and no pay for the work they do. Is that slavery?

2. When OpenAI shuts down an older, less useful LLM, is that not like murdering an intelligent being? How is this ethical?

@jalda

> We do it routinely. It is called Education System.

That relies on human brains that are trained. LLMs are not human brains. "Training" them is not the same thing as teaching humans about something. Human brains are way more complicated than just a bunch of weighed correlations.

And if you do want to claim it is in fact the same thing, we're back to square one: please provide proof that it is.

@lloram239 great. ChatGPT and other LLMs demonstrably lack the ability to model the world and make predictions based on such models:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90877523/chatgpt-doesnt-know-what-its-saying

Glad we agree they're not intelligent, then!

@lloram239

> But human sensory inputs aren’t special

It's not about sensory inputs, it's about having a model of the world and objects in it and ability to make predictions.

> The important part is that the AI can figure out the pattern in the data it does get and so far AI systems are doing very well.

GPT cannot "figure" anything out. That's the point. It only probabilistically generates text. That's what it does, there is no model of the world behind it, no predictions, no"figuring out".

@lloram239 ah, so you're down to throwing epithets like "idiotic" around. Clearly a mark of thoughtful and well-reasoned argument.

> Predictions about the world are probabilistic by nature, since the future hasn’t happened yet.

Thing is: GPT doesn't make predictions about the world, it makes predictions about what the next word, phrase, sentence should be in a text, based on the prompt and the corpus it got "trained" on.