Issue with Dark Style on 39 (Workstation Prerelease, Gnome 45.rc)
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Well, hell. I guess I'll go back to watching less and buying DVDs. I'm not watching commercials on a service I pay for. That's a non starter.
Worst comes to worse, I can dust off my eye patch, grab my parrot, and take to the high seas. I don't wanna, I prefer to pay for stuff, but ffs, if they can't be reasonable, I guess it's back to arrr me hearties.
I recently got into a long, really dumb argument. I used the phrase "lesser of two evils" and what seemed like fifty people (actually two or three) seemed to think that meant I approved of, strenuously endorsed, and would defend the actions of the "lesser evil."
To me, this seemed like a basic misunderstanding of what the phrase meant, so I defined it. Their response to my definition was to say the same sort of thing they'd already said while claiming to totally know what "lesser of two evils" meant.
I lost my cool, and explained what the phrase meant again. One of the folks explained themselves calmly while the others seemed to think I was a congenital idiot because I kept repeating myself.
I don't want this to get any longer, so I'll just say that we were talking past each other. Nobody (well, except fr the one guy who stopped to explain what he meant) was really comprehending what the other person said. So everyone was a dumbass, basically. Story of my life, really.
At least, I think that's what happened. Watch the asshole who called me a liar and an idiot show up here to not explain how I'm a liar and an idiot again.
I raised my right hand and swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
That wasn't my best decision ever, and I kinda knew it while I was doing it.
Battle for Wesnoth
This one never gets the love it deserves. It's a fantastic turn based strategy game with multiple campaigns and storylines, multiplayer, and campaign design tools. It's an old project (started in 2003, IIRC), but it's still fantastic
Hedgewars
Basically, this is Worms but with adorable little hedgehogs instead of, well, worms. Single player is okay, and it has online multiplayer I guess, but the real fun (just like in Worms) is local multiplayer. Also, it has Portal Guns. There's really no downside to this one.
- https://www.hedgewars.org/
- Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2223810/Hedgewars/
- Itch: https://hedgewars.itch.io/hedgewars
Re-volt io and RVGL
This one's a little iffy. Re-volt was a fantastic R / C racing game with bright graphics, fun tracks, excellent controls, and a killer soundtrack. For good or ill, it was put out by Acclaim, which self destructed in 2004. The Re-volt fan community, however, doesn't know the meaning of the word "quit."
Nowadays, you can join a lively community with regular online tournaments of the game. There's a new cross platform engine called RVGL (that's Re Volt Game Launcher), and metric tonnes of mods and fan content. You still need the original game's assets, though, which is where it's dicey; they're technically abandonware not open source, unless I'm mistaken.
Anyway, links!
Unciv
This project's aim is to be Civilization V, but with more abstract visuals, and, or course, free. In short, it's FreeCiv, but Civ V instead of II and a UI from the 2020s rather than the 80s. (Not throwing shade here; FreeCiv is an amazing project that is exactly what it wants to be!)
If that's not enough to keep ya' happy, I know a few more, but they've mostly been covered by other folks here.
Edit: formatting
You know, I've been using Linux on desktops and laptops for like 20 years now. I can count on one hand then number of times I've had hardware support issues. Outside of a fingerprint scanner, I've been able to solve all of those issues.
Meanwhile, my adventures across the years dealing with Windows drivers led me to finally say "fuck it" earlier this year and nuke the Windows install on my gaming rig in favor of Nobara.
I'll take Linux hardware support over Microsoft any day of the week.
The AUR isn't a package manager. It's a package repository that you can use a package manager (on Manjaro it's probably pamac) to install from.
There really isn't a more extensive package repository than the AUR, and there's definitely not one for any Arch based distro. If the package hasn't been updated in a while, you might have to go to the project website and check for an alternative install method, like Flatpak, AppImage, or a precompiled binary.
ETA - someone pointed out Nix, which I had totally forgotten about. I feel like everything else I say here stands though.
As a side note, and I'm likely to get jumped on by Manjaro fans for this, but on Manjaro extensive use of the AUR can lead to system instability. This is because the official repos for Manjaro are out of sync with the Arch repos, and you can run into dependency problems.
Here's the thing, YouTube. When you first started running ads, I didn't really mind. They were short, there weren't that many, and if they were particularly annoying or repetitive, there was a skip button. I respected that you needed to make money and that you wanted to pay the content creators, and you respected my time.
But then you decided to flood the fucking platform and cut the revenue share with the creators. Without adblock, I can't watch a 5 minute video without 5 minutes of ads. You're trying to force me into paying for your premium service by annoying me to death.
Which I might do if I thought the people whose videos I actually like got a decent share of the revenue. But they don't. Hell, at least one of my favorite YouTubers is regularly demonetized, so they wouldn't see a penny.
So, YouTube, I'll keep blocking ads and use services like Patreon to support my favorite YouTube folks the best I can. And if you won't let me use adblock? Well, I guess I have to find some other way to occupy that hour or so a week I use your service, because I'm sure as shit not using half of it to watch ads that don't benefit the people whose videos I enjoy.
ETA: this post contains hyperbole (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole ).
Gonna go with Manjaro. I can't, for the life of me, understand why it gets the support it does. It's not fantastic to begin with, with an apparently incompetent management team. Add in that all the theming is flat and lifeless, and I'm just confused.
I mean, any Arch derived distro with an "easy installer" kinda confuses me. Archinstall is fairly easy to use (although a bit ugly), and most other Arch based distros seem to miss what I see as the main point of Arch: getting to know and personalize your system. So things like Endeavor, Xero, etc. Don't make a lot of sense to me either. But at least they're not effectively accidentally DDOSing the AUR...
- Use like half the recommend amount of laundry detergent. Unless your clothes are filthy, it's plenty, it'll save you money, and it's better for the environment.
- Add 1/4 cup white vinegar as if it were liquid fabric softener (the food grade stuff, not the house cleaning stuff). This aids the detergent and acts as a mild fabric softener. It rinces completely in the wash and doesn't leave an odor.
- Use dryer balls - 2 ot 3 balls of felted wool about the size of a tennis ball - in place of dryer sheets. They do almost as well at killing static and softening clothes without the chemical residue.
And, finally...
- Wash your clothes less often. Generally speaking, unless they're visibly dirty or smell, they don't need to be washed. This doesn't apply to socks or undergarments - those should typically be washed, or at least rinced out, with every wear.
Edit: clarification, with thanks to antimidas who pointed it out!
It depends. Do you play stuff with kernel level anticheat? If no, then the current state of Linux gaming is, by and large as good as, and occasionally better than, Windows - even on games that don't run natively.
Proton is astounding, and the state of Wine is amazing compared to 10 years ago (and it wasn't bad then). Get Bottles or Play on Linux going, plus Steam, and there's very little you can't do…
Except kernel level anticheat.
(To be 100% transparent, there are other issues. I have a couple games I can't get to run reliability, but they're all obscure edge cases. But like 90% of stuff without anticheat just works at this point.)
Edit: proofreading
And the Platinum Award for Least Surprising News Headline goes to...
I am officially using it to post this, and I gotta say... I don't miss Reddit, but I did miss Infinity. I just didn't realize how much until now.
I've been playing Terraria since June of 2011. It. Is. Awesome. Possibly my favorite game of all time. I knew the devs were awesome too, and I'm not surprised to see this.
If you don't own it, I promise Terraria is worth both your time and the 10$USD. Plus, you'll be supporting a kick ass team!
I install and set up operating systems. It's something I do to my own computer regularly, but I'll cheerfully do for someone else because it's fun.
Linux is my favorite, but I can do Windows, Free/Open/Dragonfly BSD, Haiku, and given time to research others as well. I keep meaning to give NetBSD a shot...
It gives me a focused task with a specific end goal that requires some technical knowledge, but mostly preparation, research, and troubleshooting skills. The activity can sometimes lift me out of a depressive episode for a while.
What are you talking about?
That took me like two second to find. You can also use addons, like this one for Qwant:
Which I like. But none of this is hard or "obfuscated", and it's literally identical to changing or adding a new search engine on Waterfox.
I have a lot of issues with Mozilla, not least of which is their reliance on Google for income. It's like hiring a dingo as a babysitter. But c'mon, man.
Is clapping something other than slapping your hands together in Spain?
This sounds more like a particular region doing a common thing differently rather than other people not knowing how. Like, I'm pretty sure Americans know how to clap. I've seen them do it. Not to brag, but I've done it a time or two m'self.
"It has a cool default theme for Gnome, and there's a colored bash prompt."
The "cool default theme" in Fedora is the default Gnome theme. There isn't a "colored bash prompt." Fedora is a major distribution on par with stuff like Arch and Debian, so news about Fedora is news about linux.
Love Fedora, hate Fedora, I couldn't care less. But at least do a little research.
I... don't care. I'm going to switch to my own wallpaper at first opportunity, and whichever distro is probably going to replace the default anyway.
It's so weird to me when stuff like this makes headlines.
Good. Put him away for assault. Sentence him on live TV. Throw a fucking party as you throw the book at him.
Make. An. Example. Out. Of. This. Douchenozzle.
The first thing I check for is if a game is Terraria. If it isn't, I play Terraria instead.
All kidding aside, I tend to enjoy games that involve exploration, character development, and pleasent visuals. Good sound design is also a must, and I prefer games to be at least somewhat action oriented.
None of these things are hard and fast rules for me, of course. I like a lot of different games.
If you're not having performance issues, then I don't see much reason to change. Sure, Xorg is basically in maintenance mode, but so what? Your setup works for you, so do your thing.
That said, Sway is a window manager intended to be a drop in replacement for i3 on Wayland, and is pretty close from what I hear: https://swaywm.org/
Plasma is very good with Wayland, although you might want to wait for Plasma 6, since they're apparently making several improvements, and it's due out soon anyway: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Plasma-6-Wayland-Great
You can install Wayland and switch sessions during login too, so you can check it for yourself and see if your i3 dotfiles work with Sway.
I have three possible solutions for you:
- Switch to Fedora Workstation
- Install Gnome on Mint
- Use Pop! OS
Option 1 is probably the best one. Fedora is as easy to use as Ubuntu but without Snaps or the rest of Canonical stuff. The downside is that it's RPM based instead of DEB, but that's not as big an issue as you might think, since Flatpaks cover a lot of ground, and between the Fedora and RPM Fusion repositories, most software is still available.
Option 2 is another way to go. It gives you exactly what you're looking for in a way. Unfortunately, you're going to end up with some Cinnamon remnants in your Gnome set up. That's not too big of a deal, though, just some extra cleanup work removing the Cinnamon desktop stuff.
Option 3 is my least favorite. Pop! OS is great, and almost what you're after once you disable some extensions. The only issue I have here is that Pop! will probably be shifting to their in house desktop environment COSMIC soon. Well, fairly soon anyway. I'm sure they'll keep the Gnome version going, but it's very clearly not going to be their focus. Still, Pop! OS might be exactly what you're looking for!
I disagree. Don't get me wrong, vim is amazing and all that, but I think nano is easier for new users to grok out of the box, making it a better choice most of the time. What it lacks in features it makes up for in transparency.
100% agree about the minimal set of desktop apps, though. That drives me crazy.
Just my 0.02$.
Edit: silly mistakes and clarification
During the initial startup, you're asked if you want to share telemetry. I honestly can't remember if it's default on or off, but you can't miss it.
Depending on what you're looking for, you might just want a computer monitor. Those are essentially "dumb TVs" without Internet connectivity or an operating system, and they have HDMI connections, so there you go.
You can also look into commercial TVs, although more and more of those are "smart" these days. Even if they're smart, and they tend to be a bit more pricy, they aren't preloaded with crapware and usually have excellent warranties. So that's another option.
Good.
If I'm going to use AI for something, I want it to be right more often than I am, not just as often!
I kinda feel like this is better for folks who've been at it for a little bit. There are way too many distros claiming to be beginner friendly for a tool like this to be helpful.
I think it's better to just send them to an easy to install, up to date distro that will suit their needs that has a DE that's easy to understand but different enough from where they're coming from to keep them from expecting it to work like windows. Stable updates from a GUI, software availability, and easy to use backup tools are all a plus.
Which OS am I talking about? Hell, I have no idea. Fedora? Maybe Vanilla 2 when it comes out? Certainly nothing Arch based (sorry, guys, I love arch too but it's not for beginners...).
It looks nice, the specs are great, and I want one, but seriously... Nvidia? Why?
Safely? Make a backup on an external drive. That's at least safe-ish. Not trying to be flippant, this is just the only way I know that would qualify as "safe".
Holy crap, this is amazing! I mean, I kinda hate the XP UI (and the UE was worse lol), but if you loved it, good on you! This is fantastically close. Like, it's uncanny.
What do you mean? Arch doesn't have you "compiling everything". It's a mostly binary distribution. The Arch repositories are binary, and more than a few of the packages in the AUR are binary as well.
I'm also not following "not doing anything during and after install" - what do you mean by after install in that sentence?
I'd love to help, but I can't figure out what your issue is. If you're looking for something like Arch, but faster and easier to set up, try Endeavor - it's basically Arch with a graphical installer and some neat extra tools.
I'd also suggest looking in to Void, since you don't appear to be afraid of the command line. You'll find it similar in approach to Arch, but everything is binary packages; there's no compiling unless you grab dev tools and pull the source from Github or Codeberg or whatever yourself.
The out of date package problem you're running into is because Mint is based on the LTS version of Ubuntu. This means that it's set up for long term service and stability. All well and good if that's what you're after.
As to your problem, I'm not big on Endeavor - or any Arch based distro - for folks who are new to Linux. Unless you're willing to take the time to use Arch itself and set up your system, and learn how it all comes together, you're better off not using Arch. I know I'll get shouted down for this, but IMHO, all of the easy install Arch based distros are terrible for people new to linux.
If your biggest issue is that the software versions aren't as up to date as you'd like, then all you really need to do is switch to a non-LTS. I'd recommend Fedora. I use it myself, and it's easy to set up, works great out of the box, and is up to date. They come out with a new version twice a year, and upgrades run smoothly.
If you're really focused on a rolling release, though, I'd suggest looking at OpenSuse Tumbleweed. It's rolling, super stable, and has a fantastic community. Their Yast tools are famous and really impressive.
Alternately, take the time to install a proper Arch setup. You'll learn a ton, and find out that all that maintenance stuff you feel like you don't have time to do isn't that big a deal, really.
Well, I passed out at a warehouse because my supervisor wouldn't let me go for a water break in 100+ degree weather, and I got fired for "loafing."
Does that count?
I'd like to help, but you said Fedora was "vaguely windowsey." I've used Fedora off and on for close to a decade, and I have no clue what you mean. Like, it's not at all windowsey in my experience.
So, in order to avoid what you're talking about in other distros, I'm going to need some more details… what do you mean by "windowsey"?
I'd recommend AMD over Nvidia for a linux laptop, but it's not as big a deal as it used to be. Most distros have good Nvidia support, although you often have to install the proprietary drivers after installing the OS. Even distros like Nobara that have Nvidia images to DL have to install and update the drivers at first launch.
So either will work, but if you've got a choice, go with AMD. It's just a smoother experience.
My suggestion is to use a beginner distro with easy dual boot options. Linux Mint comes to mind. Get that going and try it out. If it works for you, you can then move on to ditching your Windows install and/or using a more advanced distro.
Unless you're more of a "dive into the deep end" sort. If that's the case, grab Fedora Workstation and make sure to enable the proprietary software repositories. Fedora is stable, and the desktop will be a reminder that this isn't Windows and it won't act like it. From there, you can find help all over the place, from Fedora's documentation and forums to simple internet searches.
It's a GUI. That'd be the difference. It's the same tool for folks who aren't comfortable on the command line.
Like it or not, for wider adoption we need GUI solutions for things like this. You clearly don't need it, so don't install it. Problem solved.
Well, I'm trying it out and I gotta say... I just don't care.
I mean, it looks nice, and I guess the extra info is good. On the other hand, I weirdly miss the word in the corner. On the other, other hand, it's such a small change I can't imagine getting upset about it if it became the default.
So... Yeah. Whatever's clever, Gnome team. I'm happy either way.
Here's how to turn that off:
There we go, problem solved.