@ernest thank you for all the work you have dedicated to kbin!

i wish you are getting all support needed right now!

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
given the sheer size of threads, most fedi platforms still lack well-developed moderation tools > this is a tough nut to crack, thus preemptive defederation is a must when it comes to threads

@BiggestBulb
using kbin mostly on mobile devices, i am time and again surprised that kbin works kinda fine > e.g. kbin deals better with bad internet connections than any other fedi software i have come to know so far > given that kbin is still early beta, this is impressive

i think that we should be patient, and keep reporting bugs :)

@itsaj26744
misskey and its cutlery set of forks all have rss support > among them, rss support of firefish and iceshrimp could easily be labeled "rss eye candy of the fediverse"

rss feeds on the *keys follow the model:

https://instance.name/@user.rss

atom feeds are also available:
https://instance.name/@user.atom

at this point, i really feel happy that i talked you into looking at kbin - now you have already established yourself, so that you can reply the way you did :)

firefish is rebranded calckey, a misskey fork > project has been in trouble since, hmmm, may 2023 > the *keys offer a very different interface, emoji reactions and lots of other features which mastodon does not have > *keys ui is pretty nice compared to mastodon - in the end, this is a matter of taste > but other than that, particularly firefish and its forks do not scale well: there is a reason why former firefish.social admin atomicpoet chose to migrate to another instance, though atomicpoet's post tries to hide the reasons for moving > note: firefish.social is a special case - this instance is a lost cause with outages beyond comparison > instead of building up a community at firefish.social, the admins effectively destroyed the community by introducing new experimental features instead of focusing on stability

@YugiohMaster88
not at all tbh

when firefish was still calckey, it was a thing > but for a variety of reasons, the project came to a standstill, and two other misskey forks took the lead: iceshrimp and sharkey > as strange as it seems, firefish has already become some kind of legacy ware

moreover, the *keys have federation issues, especially when it comes to lemmy, but kbin is also heavily affected
@hellfire103

@maegul
it's sad to see that, and all of it was foreseeable in april 2023 already ...

@RustyOperator

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
can't tell how much i enjoy kbin fr 😊

i hope that the project itself will become more stable, and that ernest will find someone to admin kbin.social, so that ernest can focus on software development

@Amelia
all the *keys can communicate with lemmy as long as the lemmy post is not a link type post, and firefish users can take advantage of this rather rare event to chat with lemmy and kbin users, too

@RustyOperator @maegul

@Masimatutu
i agree, and i also recommend friendica!

@YugiohMaster88

even weirder if it’s a Mastodon fork such as Glitch-soc, Hometown, Fedibird,… since they use older Mastodon versions as base

i myself have been active on calckey/firefish, hajkey and iceshrimp instances, and never had a problem interacting with people on mastodon forks > there had been some backfilling issues, but they got solved > but federation problems do exist: so far, it is not possible for *key users to interact with lemmy instances; also link posts from kbin do not show up on *key timelines

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568

1. microblog posts: rarely, but once in a while
2. microblog replies: don't work atm, but i like it!
3. microblog tab: depending on whether i have to micro-manage or not:

• kbin's mod tools are buggy, e.g. an account banned from a magazine can still spam the microblogging section > mods better look inside the microblog tab ...
• otherwise depending on my mood

1. viewing microblog posts in my home feed: all the time - i like it even more on kbin than on specific microblogging fedi platforms tbh
2. aggregated view is great! i keep boosting loads of microblog posts via kbin ✨

@JohnDClay
massive database issues - stux gives some explanation in the linked thread

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
moreover, i would love to see kbin and mbin devs joining forces, thereby reducing each other's workload :)

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
truly a long time issue! arrows work for the 2nd page only > same problem occurs in the microblogging section: arrows do not work

@jayrhacker
Would you elaborate on this?

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
defederate!

@bayaz It's you who gave me food for thought, alongside many other moderators! I only found out yesterday how to properly ban spam accs on kbin.social.

I really appreciate all efforts to grow and take care of communities, be it on kbin, on lemmy, or on mbin! Every day, I try to keep learning from other moderators.

Given the sheer lack of moderation tools, many mods do great work. I hope the situation will improve so that moderatoring will become easier.

since you are on a lemmy instance: be aware that people on the *keys cannot interact with lemmy instances

@bogdugg

The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.

kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate
@gicagaf805

@minnieo
ernest's approach is unique in many ways, and
the kbin community is highly responsive to new ideas
@ernest @DarkGamer

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
i hope so, too!

if mod tools worked better, the microblogging sections could become even more interesting in terms of content, and less of a hassle for moderators 🙏

@ernest
thank you! tags from kbin do federate on microblogging fedi - kbin users should use the the tags section rather than the text body though

1. i also had a look at friendica; sadly, friendica seems not to be capable to pick up tagged posts from kbin > see e.g. https://friendica.opensocial.space/search?tag=kbin > tried my luck at several friendica instances, and every time: no content from kbin

2. tags in kbin threads do not display on kbin pwa, e.g. https://kbin.social/m/kbinDevlog/t/692551 > on microblogging fedi platforms, i can see three tags: kbin, fediverse, and kbinDevlog for the magazine > with kbin pwa, neither kbin nor fediverse show up

@palordrolap
oh, the rhymes are quirky, and filled with joy :)

Like many folks on aggregator sites, I'd create magazines / communities / sub-sites if I didn't mean I then had to manage and moderate them afterwards. (There are many things in life that fit this pattern.)

yes, creating a magazine is the easy part, whereas maintaining a magazine is a matter of discipline

@ThatOneKirbyMain2568
thank you for your concise and systematic approach - i am very fond of your suggestions!

atm, kbin ui feels a bit cluttered, indeed > page navigation should be easier > is there any navigation tutorial btw?

@skullgiver
when it comes to creativity, mastodon ui is a pre-emptive strike against creativity > vanilla mastodon does not support emoji reactions, and damn!!!!!!! mastodon ui hides that there are other platforms on the fedi than mastodon > mastodon is perfectly fine for all those who want to see mastodon content, and nothing else > creativity? no! creativity starts with openness, and mastodon surely has a rather isolating approach

@feditips @fediverse @FediFollows @mention @masimatutu @HamSwagwich

@bayaz Thank you! This is even worse than I thought! I will try some things out in the near future in order to find a stable way for banning accs.

@minnieo
can't remember that image posts ever worked tbh

@Eggyhead

@Gordon_Freeman
It really depends on the very magazine. Basically, it's magazines with Ernest as sole moderator where these problems occur. I'd give it a wait.
@Haus

@Kierunkowy74
i thought that the iceshrimp devs had rewritten their mastodon api compatibility layer, and that iceshrimp works fine with masto clients ... it doesn't?

@RustyOperator @maegul @Amelia

@Kierunkowy74
i use hajkey and iceshrimp, too > but i am not drawn to mastodon clients because they do not offer many *keys features > for the time being, i stick to the pwa

@RustyOperator @maegul @Amelia

@Chozo
this is the english machine translation of naskya's post:

Even if you ask me when the next version will be out, I don't know.

one week ago, naskya stated in another post:

Firefish v1.0.5 を出すために必要にゃ雑用は 2 日くらい前に睡眠時間を捧げてほとんど片付けたのであとは Kainoa さん次第です

english machine translation:

I devoted my sleep time to do most of the chores needed to release Firefish v1.0.5 about 2 days ago, so the rest is up to Kainoa.

source: https://post.naskya.net/notes/9n8d2h0qq12bdzm1 #firefish

@indigojasper
wholeheartedly agree!

@Slow

@maegul
when i saw all that happening, i was sure that firefish won't swim, but die soon > the rebranding happened behind closed doors, only to claim that ff was a community project > then, april got kicked out of the dev team, and there was no one else at firefish anymore to do serious backend work > firefish felt like a sect, consumed by its own hype

@RustyOperator

@genesis i get your question! what does annoy you the most?

@Kierunkowy74
Yes, moderators can access the reports tab within the magazine panel. Every report must include some reason, hence moderators see them. Regarding bans: without giving a proper reason, no ban can come into effect.

You can also check the modlogs on kbin and lemmy instances for bans (does not apply to mbin).
@bayaz @jayrhacker

sharkey test instance at blahajzone also down

The instance has clearly communicated that it primarily serves as a test instance, i.e. it does not strive for or want to guarantee stability.

that's just not true > when c.s switched over to dev branch in april 2023, this was not motivated by wanting to become a "test instance" > rather, this was a desperate move to keep the instance afloat which by then had been become quite wonky > afterwards, things got even worse, so the transpicuous idea to rebrand the whole project

noting, absolutely nothing about f.s is about being a test instance > see also atomicpoet's post about movin away from f.s - f.s was supposed to be a flagship instance, but only evolved into a shipwreck

the biggest disadvantage of firefish: its community which has become like a sect - but that had been going on for a very long time already ...