I like Mastodon and the Fediverse, I really do, but I just can't deny that all the good posters that made Twitter enjoyable moved to Bluesky. My Mastodon feed is nothing but journalists, activists, developers, but very little fun shitposting.

I might be in the minority here, but I couldn't help but think Half-Life 2 still looks really good for a game released in 2004. Obviously "RTX on" is nicer to look at, but all the small details like the magnifying glass that actually magnifies made me appreciate the old assets/graphics so much, what a milestone it was.

I'm begging you to take a look at the dangerous nefarious terroristic acts Letzte Generation usually engages in. They do non-violent road blockades. Sometimes they chain themselves to stuff. They might even spray some paint on a private jet sitting in a lot. These are the criminal masterminds Germany needs to crack out pre-crime for. It's the mildest bullshit you can imagine.

Such gross weirdo-behavior to call 900k completely normal people looking to socialize online bots, get off your high horse

I'm very curious how this will all shake out. I can understand all of you who want to block Threads and the only two instances that I am on myself are going to do exactly that, but it seems tremendously likely that the flagship instance of the fediverse, mastodon.social, will federate and it will have a massive impact on not just the culture, but also on the codebase. For example I wonder what services will go for feature parity and add features like voice notes which Threads added recently. Oh and culture-wise, with POTUS joining Threads, big institutions like the White House will suddenly appear on the fediverse.

Still holding out hope that a bunch of new users and new ideas will rejuvenate the fediverse, in any case 2024 should be a big year for it.

I have big sympathies for FireFish, but I feel like the target audiences so far are very different. Maybe call it the network effect, but it's difficult for me to imagine a tumblr user who maybe is used to blogging about their SuperWhoLock fandoms moving to FireFish where there probably is no big audience for that. At the same time I would want to see these users and their niches in the Fediverse.

There is a very particular culture that is unique to tumblr which I don't see moving somewhere else.

They give you only so many free articles per month, I had to circumvent a paywall as well

The algorithms/feeds are easily the best part about Bluesky because they can be custom-made. If you don't like the feeds provided by Bluesky, you can just make one of your own that displays what you want to see. I use many such feeds.

To complete the network, relays are required on ATProto and apparently could be expensive to host, so right now, it appears the only relay is hosted by BlueSky the company. Which makes things slightly centralized.

A number I've seen quoted multiple times now is ~$150 per month to host a relay (Source). Which explains why Whitewind, Smokesignal and Frontpage don't host one, they are mostly still small projects by individual talented devs, but imo if that number is true, it really doesn't seem too outlandish that someone might go for it.

If you want your timeline to be just a chronological timeline, you can also subscribe to that feed and delete all others. Bluesky isn't Threads, no one is forcing any algorithm on you that you don't want, this is part of the decentralized nature of Bluesky.

Also, I don't think there is a clear line between "algorithmic" and "non-algorithmic" social media. If you use Mastodon with the Mammoth app and its "For You" feed, is it algorithmic or non-algorithmic? If I sort my Lemmy timeline by "hot", do I not use an algorithm?

That's fine, I just want either of them to actually kill twitter for good though and it just doesn't look like it's gonna be Mastodon. With Threads potentially joining the Fediverse, I guess who knows.

unfortunately it’s limited to what Bluesky wants which is just microblogging while ActivityPub is more flexible (see: Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale, PeerTube, Wordpress, etc.)

One of the bsky devs has clarified that they do want peertube/wordpress/lemmy type sites to exist on the protocol as well

Sorry for the late reply, but I wanted to address your question -- I think one misunderstanding is: in a sense there are no Bluesky accounts and there are no Frontpage accounts, there are only atproto accounts. Whether you make a post on Bluesky or Frontpage or Whitewind or Smokesignal, all of them get collected in the same repository. Here is a neat atproto browser which can display this, this is the account of Frontpage founder Tom Sherman and you can find all of his collections there: https://atproto-browser.vercel.app/at/tom-sherman.com

Nice! I've been enjoying the "Quiet Posters" feed, which shows only posts by people I follow that don't regularly post, so I might miss the rare times that they do! :)

Bluesky still isn’t there yet on that side (and probably won’t, as it would prevent them from generating revenue if someone can just open a server and connect to their network)

I don't think that's necessarily true. As fas as I know there are no plans to inject ads, they are planning to create a marketplace for custom feeds (think "premium" feeds) and labelers and such where they would take a cut. You would obviously still be able to purchase access to them from other servers. But this goal seems kinda lofty, not sure if it can be viable.

Sure, I just meant if Threads and maybe Tumblr are serious about joining the Fediverse, maybe the whole AT Protocol that Bluesky is trying to build will fall into obscurity.

You are correct, however I want to point out they have stated they want to hand over the governance of the protocol to a standards organization like the Internet Engineering Task Force:

Development of atproto to date has been driven by a single company, Bluesky PBC. Once the network opens to federation, protocol changes and improvements will still be necessary, but will impact multiple organizations, communities, and individuals, each with separate priorities and development interests. If the protocol is successful, there certainly will be disagreements and competitive tensions at play. Having a single company controlling the protocol will not work long-term.

The plan is to bring development and governance of the protocol itself to an established standards body around the time the network opens to federation. Our current hope is to bring this work to the IETF, likely as a new working group, which would probably be a multi-year process. If the IETF does not work out as a home, we will try again with other bodies. While existing work can be proposed exactly “as-is", it is common to have some evolution and breaking changes come out of the standardization processes.

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Perhaps I should clarify: by "good posters", I don't mean Wendy's epically dunking on McDonald's and I don't mean "night water hits different" lowest common denominator posters, just ordinary people like you and me shooting the shit. I think it's sad Mastodon seems to have the reputation that people can't crack a joke there.