Pope says 'backward' US conservatives replaced faith with ideology

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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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Have you been listening???

In Slovakia, gay adoption AND marriage was on a referendum, and weirdly enough, Francis threw his support because against it. To "preserve the family"

"Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."

So "kill a few million people with nukes" is the same as "gender theory"

"The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life."

God loves you but you ain't equal. Homosexuality is a sin, but not a crime. You are welcome in the Church, but you are also immoral and going to hell.

Sheesh, I was worrying a bit there. At least I'm not violating the laws of man.

The Church's position in general is that everyone is immoral and going to hell without the Church's help. (See original sin, the sacrament of confession, etc)

He isn't saying "gay is now ok." The pope is saying that the sin of homosexuality shouldn't be treated any different than the sin of lying, greed, stealing, envy, cheating, murder, child molestation, etc.

I think the quote from him below expresses his viewpoint with more nuance than I could:

"The door is open to everyone, everyone has their own space in the church. How will each person live it? We help people live so that they can occupy that place with maturity, and this applies to all kinds of people."

"What I don't like at all, in general, is that we look at the so-called 'sin of the flesh' with a magnifying glass. If you exploited workers, if you lied or cheated, it didn't matter, and instead relevant were the sins below the waist."

"We must not be superficial and naive, forcing people into things and behaviors for which they are not yet mature, or are not capable. To accompany people spiritually and pastorally takes a lot of sensitivity and creativity."

"Everyone, everyone, everyone, are called to live in the church. Never forget that."

Great. Just let me know when all those homosexuals the Church is so accepting of are allowed to receive any sacraments.

You're telling me the Pope is Catholic? That's fuckin insane man. How weird!

Oh interesting, had not heard that. I don't stay updated with the popes latest tbh.

Thanks!

Don't buy it. He's still a snake in a robe.

Not familiar with the situation, but looking it up, I see same sex marriage banned by the constitution, and an attempt at a referendum failed with low turnout. That doesn’t track with a religious figure riling up the conservatives.

I only have English speaking sources to go on, but the only Christian organizational involvement is see is against gender change surgery. Im not going to argue that, but it is also a lot narrower than your claim

"I greet the pilgrims from Slovakia and, through them, I wish to express my appreciation to the entire Slovak Church, encouraging everyone to continue their efforts in defense of the family, the vital cell of society,"

Seems pretty straightforward....