It is dystopian. It looks like a alpha version of the robocop "bad" robots. It is indeed dystopian. It doesn't fire autonomously just because creators could not implement a "directive 4" (don't shoot who I don't want to be shoot).
So automated driving is dystopian? Brace yourself, I have news about self-driving cars
I have news about them too: they're not actually coming anytime soon, it's all techbro propaganda
I believe that wide adoption of self-driving cars will take a while, but there are already autonomous taxis running around San Francisco
Like the one that drove over that women a few weeks ago, then stopped on top of her and refused to move?
I donβt know whether to laugh or cry.
It sucks, but autonomous cars are, in fact, real
Yeah, and they keep blocking emergency vehicles in intersections and the whole city wants them gone.
They're prototypes using real human cities as proving grounds without the consent of the population.
It is not. Dystopian is an utopia turning bad. There is nothing wrong with AI, it pays my bills. The killing is what turns an utopia to a dystopia. It's people actions and intentions, not technologies
Dystopian is an utopia turning bad.
It literally is the exact opposite of a utopia, and does not require there to have first ever been a utopia regress into a bad state.
AI and autonomous vehicles: utopia
AI and autonomous vehicles to kill: dystopian
This is one of the most frustrating thread I've ever partecipated. Why discussions on weapons always turn out like talking to spoilt 4 years old kids.
Maybe it's frustrating because you have your own, random as fuck definitions for words that nobody else shares.
That's not the reason, but thank for trying guessing. Appreciated
Hey, for what it's worth I think most people here understand you completely. A killing robot is dystopian, and anyone arguing otherwise is being dense as hell.
Thanks :)
It helps!
You must not have actually understood him then. He's said this isn't dystopian because it doesn't kill automatically (after also saying it is "alpha dystopian"). It's still dystopian, regardless of whether it can shoot on its own. Every machine of war is.
I appreciate your writing here at Lemmy and I find it easy to misread previous comments.
So, I would like to try to clarify what happened here :
Nuke wrote : "So automated driving is dystopian?" (+...)
Then, @Zeth0s@lemmy.world answered : "It is not." (+...)
Because of the rest of their comments I misread it the same way you did and I had to go back and read again (or at least my first reading was the same as what you explain).
it would be nice if you took it on a positive note since on the whole you and @Zeth0s@lemmy.world are saying the same thing.
in the hope of reading more of you, take care πΈ.
I struggle to understand whether you are trolling. I said this thing is dystopian. It looks like the alpha version of the bad robot from robocop movie
"There is nothing wrong with AI, it pays my bills" = "I got mine fuck you"
What do you mean? AI is super helpful, it is doing great things in many fields, including biological research, simplify life of many, supporting and helping people. It is just an umbrella name for many different complex mathematical functions.
Clearly there are bad uses, as any powerful technology. And it is important to highlight them. This is a bad use of AI
Which altruistic thing is it that the AI that pays your bills does? It appears to me that AI is used for acceleration of war, deceit, and theft and conglomeration of ideas and art with no unique thoughts or perspectives. The people who own the technology will use it to enrich themselves at the expense of those who can not afford it. This is what I mean.
Some of the models I built help preventing frauds on customers, i.e. help them keeping their money.
Others support and simplify work of colleagues. There are jobs that are difficult, not pleasant and stressful in my industry, and there is an high demand from people to get help from AI.
I don't know your job, but AI can be very helpful improving quality of life of people in many roles.
BTW AI has been used by artists for years now. I am not talking about generative AI. Photoshop is full of non generative AI tools. Even the spam filters of your email provider are likely nowadays AI.
You should have a deeper look to all enormous variety of AI applications out there
The killing
Once again, this system does not kill autonomously. It merely drives autonomously.
It is just because it is currently technically impossibile to make it fires the "right" people. So the human will fire the wrong people as liability for human shooting civilians doesn't exist. It is anyway dystopian. As said it is an alpha version of the dystopia.
I really don't get why it is so hard to understand Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
It is dystopian. It looks like a alpha version of the robocop "bad" robots. It is indeed dystopian. It doesn't fire autonomously just because creators could not implement a "directive 4" (don't shoot who I don't want to be shoot).
So automated driving is dystopian? Brace yourself, I have news about self-driving cars
I have news about them too: they're not actually coming anytime soon, it's all techbro propaganda
I believe that wide adoption of self-driving cars will take a while, but there are already autonomous taxis running around San Francisco
Like the one that drove over that women a few weeks ago, then stopped on top of her and refused to move?
I donβt know whether to laugh or cry.
It sucks, but autonomous cars are, in fact, real
Yeah, and they keep blocking emergency vehicles in intersections and the whole city wants them gone.
They're prototypes using real human cities as proving grounds without the consent of the population.
It is not. Dystopian is an utopia turning bad. There is nothing wrong with AI, it pays my bills. The killing is what turns an utopia to a dystopia. It's people actions and intentions, not technologies
It literally is the exact opposite of a utopia, and does not require there to have first ever been a utopia regress into a bad state.
This is one of the most frustrating thread I've ever partecipated. Why discussions on weapons always turn out like talking to spoilt 4 years old kids.
Maybe it's frustrating because you have your own, random as fuck definitions for words that nobody else shares.
That's not the reason, but thank for trying guessing. Appreciated
Hey, for what it's worth I think most people here understand you completely. A killing robot is dystopian, and anyone arguing otherwise is being dense as hell.
Thanks :)
It helps!
You must not have actually understood him then. He's said this isn't dystopian because it doesn't kill automatically (after also saying it is "alpha dystopian"). It's still dystopian, regardless of whether it can shoot on its own. Every machine of war is.
I appreciate your writing here at Lemmy and I find it easy to misread previous comments.
So, I would like to try to clarify what happened here :
Nuke wrote : "So automated driving is dystopian?" (+...) Then, @Zeth0s@lemmy.world answered : "It is not." (+...)
Because of the rest of their comments I misread it the same way you did and I had to go back and read again (or at least my first reading was the same as what you explain).
it would be nice if you took it on a positive note since on the whole you and @Zeth0s@lemmy.world are saying the same thing.
in the hope of reading more of you, take care πΈ.
I struggle to understand whether you are trolling. I said this thing is dystopian. It looks like the alpha version of the bad robot from robocop movie
"There is nothing wrong with AI, it pays my bills" = "I got mine fuck you"
What do you mean? AI is super helpful, it is doing great things in many fields, including biological research, simplify life of many, supporting and helping people. It is just an umbrella name for many different complex mathematical functions.
Clearly there are bad uses, as any powerful technology. And it is important to highlight them. This is a bad use of AI
Which altruistic thing is it that the AI that pays your bills does? It appears to me that AI is used for acceleration of war, deceit, and theft and conglomeration of ideas and art with no unique thoughts or perspectives. The people who own the technology will use it to enrich themselves at the expense of those who can not afford it. This is what I mean.
Some of the models I built help preventing frauds on customers, i.e. help them keeping their money.
Others support and simplify work of colleagues. There are jobs that are difficult, not pleasant and stressful in my industry, and there is an high demand from people to get help from AI.
I don't know your job, but AI can be very helpful improving quality of life of people in many roles.
BTW AI has been used by artists for years now. I am not talking about generative AI. Photoshop is full of non generative AI tools. Even the spam filters of your email provider are likely nowadays AI.
You should have a deeper look to all enormous variety of AI applications out there
Once again, this system does not kill autonomously. It merely drives autonomously.
It is just because it is currently technically impossibile to make it fires the "right" people. So the human will fire the wrong people as liability for human shooting civilians doesn't exist. It is anyway dystopian. As said it is an alpha version of the dystopia.
I really don't get why it is so hard to understand Β―\_(γ)_/Β―