Israel aims to cut Gaza ties after Hamas defeat

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Israel aims to cut Gaza ties after Hamas defeat
bbc.com

By Henri Astier BBC News


Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its "responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip".

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.

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That was in 1946. How many peace treaties and ceasefires have there been between them and the current conflict?

The start of a trend does tend to be earlier than everything that follows.... I'm not sure how or why you think that's a valid point.

Because if any conflict between people, even ones that have been resolved, can be used to justify current violence; there's no concievable violence that can ever be unjustified.

My bad. Imagine civilians killed in the original slave raid weren't Jewish.

Take your own advice boss.

I am. If the IDF had conducted a slave raid into Gaza I'd be calling on the US to partner with the world to enact regime change and bring the perpetrators to justice.

Bro, gaza is a open air concentration camp where people are routinely scooped up, held without charges and released randomly and indeed some of those people claim to have been at work camps.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-07-29/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/israel-secretly-detained-innocent-palestinians-in-desert-camps-in-1971/0000017f-e534-df5f-a17f-fffe499e0000

An investigative report reveals that hundreds of Gazans, including families of suspected Fatah terrorists, and young men not suspected of anything were jailed in detention camps in 1971 for almost a year

In 1971. Do you have an example from this century? Most Gazans are 18 years old or younger.

People can still read and absorb oral tradition. Most of this dispute is based on shit from 3000 years ago saying 100 years is too far for it to matter is objectively idiotic.

It's not if the answer to it is to conduct a fresh genocide to remediate the issue. There are peace lines from 1967 that are broad enough where a defacto Arab state and a defacto Jewish state could live side by side. And since the mid 1990s it's been primarily Palestinians rejecting that idea on favor of advocating for genocide.

Clearly it did not work because the conflict is still ongoing and has been since like 12ad.

Yes but when peace doesn't work, the weaker party doesn't tend to prosper.

That's not a point, that's a platitude.

Eh, it's a point. Starting an offensive war with a more prosperous, more militarized neighbor is a dumb move on the part of the attackers.

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Also how routine is it if the last time it happened was 1971?

Oh ii see t's ok to do just don't do it often, gotcha.

where people are routinely scooped up

That was your characterization of the situation on the ground in the Gaza Strip. That characterization is obviously incorrect. Pointing it out isn't some faux pas.

The issue here is that both sides have historically done evil shit in the region. But since the end of the Cold War, funding for overt traditional war by the Arab side has dried up and as such most of the atrocities done in the name of that war have too. But terrorism on the part of the Palestinians has risen dramatically. And that rise really can't be attributed to Israeli actions.

It's happened literally every day since 1948, Israel didn't even deny it. You've clearly not read much into the matter.

Palestinians are Arabs and I think that's where we stop because you're clearly just trolling and aren't quite aware of what you speak on.

You gave one example of it from 1971. Since 1971 there have been numerous peace agreements, cease fires and summits that were all designed to create a functional 2 state solution in the region and peace between Israel and her neighbors.

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