Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
timesofisrael.com
Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.
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Maybe but in that case they'd have to rebuild their command and control infrastructure to stage another attack like this and to stockpile rocket artillery.
That gives Gazans time to grow older and hopefully push for change.
Grow older and push for change? Palestinians have been growing older and pushing for change since 1948. Have you seen how the IDF responds when they have had mass protests? A massive key for change will be when tax dollars in the US stop funding IDF bombing. And in the meantime, the alleged 'command and control infrastructure' that was destroyed was likely a tower block holding dozens of families who are now dead or have no home.
The average age in Gaza is 18 years old. So yes, they can grow older and hopefully the international community will withhold aid dollars until regular elections are restored in the region.
When's the last time they had mass protests against their own government?
Unfortunately that will likely be counter productive if the goal is minimizing casualties. What the IDF is doing could be done significantly cheaper with artillery strikes instead of smart bombs. It just requires more wide spread bombing, more acceptance of civillian casualties and less regard for civilian infrastructure and a result that looks like Bakhmut.
And without funding for things like the Iron Dome, Israel would have been forced to re-invade and partition Gaza similar to the West Bank years ago and would have likely restarted settlements and colonization efforts there.
Dude the average age is 18 because they keep dying. They aren't getting older. They're getting dead. Israel keeps killing them through starvation, lack of medical access, and shooting them for any reason they can think of.
The Demographics don't back that up. It seems more like those who can emigrate away from the Strip as soon as they can and those who stay have had an incredibly high birth rate. That's why the strip has almost doubled in population since 2000.
That's Wikipedia. And with a reported death rate around 600 per 100,000 they're either the healthiest country in the world or these numbers are highly suspect.
It could be that way, but the historical numbers are from the PCBS they could be wrong systemically; but I don't know of a better source.
It still smells like a massive undercount. If you gave me that number for a Western country it would be ridiculous too. It's just not a realistic number.
It seems more like if the number had agreed with your assertion instead of refuted it you'd have accepted the source as generally accurate.
I can't offer you any proof because this is the Internet but I just really don't like bad data. It gets used for rhetoric all the time and it's exhausting to track down. In this case though, for reference, a normal deaths per 100k in a well supplied, peaceful, western country, is 800 to 900. To put forward these numbers in a poorly supplied middle eastern warzone is ridiculous.
Okay, but you're using no data for bad rhetoric.
There's plenty of corroboration for the treatment I speak of in news articles.
I'd certainly love to see a summary of it.
Do you have a better source, or an explanation for why this agency would lie?
Nope. Sometimes we just don't have good data.
With strikes targeting rockets and tunnels, the Israeli tactic of ‘mowing the grass’ returns to Gaza - 2021 Washington post
You just described the "mowing the grass" doctrine.
Yes. Ultimately if Hamas/Gazans continue to insist on "Genocide or Bust" as their foreign policy that's really the only way to kick the can down the road.
Apartheid is the main catalyst for violence. If normal people had lives they could look forward toz and see a future then Hamas would lose its support.
Gaza gets more than enough aid to build that sort of a future for it's people. We're talking billions of dollars of consistent aid for a population of about 2M. Just the UNWRA from 2014-2021 averaged $750M/yr of aid and the PA injected a further $1.7B in salary for non-working government employees living in the strip. That's enough to rebuild the Gazan airport every year. With that money they could have coated the strip with Ground Light Rail. They could have expanded the Commercial Port in Gaza City. In three years they could have built out fiber to every household in the strip.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#economy
$5000 GDP per Capita. That's pretty dire, especially considering Gaza has no ability to conduct trade, import supplies, build industries.
A 30% unemployment rate is huge....
The numbers sound big individually, but per Capita they are very poor.
$750M in aid just from the UNWRA per year from 2017 to 2021. That's enough to rebuild their airport every single year. That's enough to coat the 23 mile spine with Ground Light Rail. That was enough to bring fiber Internet to every household in Gaza.
They're poor because their squandering massive amounts of aid. Can you imagine how much good that aid would do in Haiti?
You literally repeated the comment I responded to. So let's just pretend I copy and pasted my response to your response.
Lets then pretend I once again pointed out that Gaza has and has had the resources to build a vibrant prosperous future and this time you respond to it.
ok... quoting my original response.
"The numbers sound individually big, but per capita are very poor"
Per capital it's like 6 times the amount of aid Western Europe received in the Marshall Plan.
Because it's still relevant. Gaza is getting more than enough aid to build a future. They're squandering it.
My response is still relevant. 5000 GDP is insufficient for a country that has no trade
It wouldn't have zero trade of they invested it in their infrastructure instead of spending it all on attacking Israel.
Gaza for the last 20 years or so, has been totally embargoed from trade. All trade must be approved by Israel, they're even restricting the amount of food that can go in, to the minimum caloric needs of the people.
They could have literally all the money on the planet, and it wouldn't do them a lick of good, because they can't trade, they can't build infrastructure, they're literally embargoed
They can trade, they just have to throw out the people stockpiling rockets for indiscriminate, offensive warfare actions.
Look at all the money they spent on tunnelling and digging up new water infrastructure. They could have spent that on improving the lives of it's citizens and choose not to.