Let's add this to the list of shitty anti-consumer choices that big tech corporations have implemented this year.
IIRC Microsoft still hasn't reverted on their asinine choice of locking their console players into their overpriced branded SSDs.
Wait, you can't buy regular drives anymore? That's actually kind of fucked
You can, but you can't play Series games on it. Only previous generation games. Same as on PS5.
on PS5 you can buy any brand SSD drive and it will work. only microsoft locks the system to use authorized hardware
Sorry, I took "regular" to mean external drives, not non-proprietary internal drives. Last gen you could use an external HDD to expand your storage without any issues. This gen you can still do it, but its use is limited.
Their SSD prices dropped significantly this past year when they allowed another company to start making them. But it's still nowhere near as cheap as PS5's SSD expansion which isn't proprietary at all.
I threw a 1TB aftermarket SSD in my XBox One S and there was absolutely no attempt to stop me.
The loading speed in Fortnite tripled.
I don't think it's as black and white as that. Not to say that Microsoft isn't dubious at times, but it seems they're trying to weed out dodgy devices here.
Give companies free reign to create third party devices and they'll create things that can be considered borderline cheat-y, or create things that are so bad that they affect people's experience of Xbox consoles.
All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.
All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.
Translated: They want third parties to pay for the "Xbox seal of approval".
I mean I get it, it sucks for third party developers to pay a fee to develop for Xbox
But if you look at the quality of third party hardware available on PlayStation, Apple etc, it's usually at a much higher quality and that gives people a perception that the hardware is better overall, even though Xbox series X and the PS5 are direct competitors.
If Xbox controllers cost $70 and crappy Chinese knockoffs are retailing for $20 and have no quality control, have cheat-y turbo buttons and break easily, they're losing money that would have done to official controllers and also losing their brand image.
They're not outright saying that third party devices are no longer allowed, but it does seem they want to manage the quality a little more
You're looking at this from a "what is good for microsoft" position. You won't find much purchase for that thought process here. People care more about what is good for consumers and real people over companies.
Absolutely! Who wouldn't want to look at it purely from a consumer's point of view?
It's easy to just look at it from the consumer's POV but the best plan is to check Microsoft when it's actually being scummy, and not when it's trying to just keep in line with every other company.
Sony issued takedowns of companies trying to sell PS5 faceplates, because they wanted to sell theirs at a premium. Apple is insanely notorious for proprietary hardware, to the point where the latest iPhone 15 even has its back glass fitted with a ribbon wire, so your iPhone won't even start unless you're using an iPhone certified back glass and it's fitted by an iPhone tech that can enable the flag that lets your back glass work.
In a world like that, it makes no sense for Microsoft to put up with cheap knockoffs of its products especially if those products suck and are ruining its brand image.
Capitalism sucks but it is what it is. What we should do as consumers is vote with our money and not buy any accessories like this until these companies allow more third party developers to sell their parts. It just doesn't work that way though. People keep buying this stuff no matter how high the prices go
You've now taken the stance that these other companies did scummy things so it's okay for Microsoft to do scummy anti consumer things. This will also not find purchase.
Dude, my personal stance is irrelevant here.
I'm not saying that that's my stance. I'm saying Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world. You're not going to change their mind by saying "I don't like it".
All I'm saying is "this is how businesses work". If we don't like it, we need to protest, vote with our wallets.
If you must know, my personal stance is the same as everyone else's: it sucks that they're forcing us to pay for first party/verified third party hardware which usually comes with a price rise.
But I thought I'd inform people what Microsoft's position is in all this. They're not going to stop taking massive losses just because some people on Lemmy said "that's not nice". Reality is that every company wants to make a profit and retain a positive brand image, especially now that Microsoft spent 69 billion dollars on Activision -Blizzard.
Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren't revealing new information here. And we know that leaving a comment on lemmy isn't going to change anything, this is not new information.
We don't really like this whole "big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it" thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.
Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren't revealing new information here.
You're finding it extremely hard to understand the concepts of this conversation and still have the gall to be sarcastic and patronising. It's surprising when you're clearly misinformed.
We don't really like this whole "big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it" thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.
No one's said you can't talk about it? How are you so confused? I'll break it down for you since you're obviously struggling:
Companies sell products. Companies like Sony have a tighter control on their third party hardware. Companies like Microsoft are much more lenient, but it causes cheap knockoffs to flood the market and reduce their brand value and first-party profits. Microsoft will now implement a check to control third party hardware. People on Lemmy get upset. It's hypocrisy.
You're either upset with the whole system or none of it. Getting upset the moment Microsoft does it makes no sense. At no point is anyone saying that you can't talk about it.
do you really think people are just upset now? and aren't upset when other companies do bad things?
Let's add this to the list of shitty anti-consumer choices that big tech corporations have implemented this year.
IIRC Microsoft still hasn't reverted on their asinine choice of locking their console players into their overpriced branded SSDs.
Wait, you can't buy regular drives anymore? That's actually kind of fucked
You can, but you can't play Series games on it. Only previous generation games. Same as on PS5.
on PS5 you can buy any brand SSD drive and it will work. only microsoft locks the system to use authorized hardware
Sorry, I took "regular" to mean external drives, not non-proprietary internal drives. Last gen you could use an external HDD to expand your storage without any issues. This gen you can still do it, but its use is limited.
Their SSD prices dropped significantly this past year when they allowed another company to start making them. But it's still nowhere near as cheap as PS5's SSD expansion which isn't proprietary at all.
I threw a 1TB aftermarket SSD in my XBox One S and there was absolutely no attempt to stop me.
The loading speed in Fortnite tripled.
I don't think it's as black and white as that. Not to say that Microsoft isn't dubious at times, but it seems they're trying to weed out dodgy devices here.
Give companies free reign to create third party devices and they'll create things that can be considered borderline cheat-y, or create things that are so bad that they affect people's experience of Xbox consoles.
All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.
Translated: They want third parties to pay for the "Xbox seal of approval".
I mean I get it, it sucks for third party developers to pay a fee to develop for Xbox
But if you look at the quality of third party hardware available on PlayStation, Apple etc, it's usually at a much higher quality and that gives people a perception that the hardware is better overall, even though Xbox series X and the PS5 are direct competitors.
If Xbox controllers cost $70 and crappy Chinese knockoffs are retailing for $20 and have no quality control, have cheat-y turbo buttons and break easily, they're losing money that would have done to official controllers and also losing their brand image.
They're not outright saying that third party devices are no longer allowed, but it does seem they want to manage the quality a little more
You're looking at this from a "what is good for microsoft" position. You won't find much purchase for that thought process here. People care more about what is good for consumers and real people over companies.
Absolutely! Who wouldn't want to look at it purely from a consumer's point of view?
It's easy to just look at it from the consumer's POV but the best plan is to check Microsoft when it's actually being scummy, and not when it's trying to just keep in line with every other company.
Sony issued takedowns of companies trying to sell PS5 faceplates, because they wanted to sell theirs at a premium. Apple is insanely notorious for proprietary hardware, to the point where the latest iPhone 15 even has its back glass fitted with a ribbon wire, so your iPhone won't even start unless you're using an iPhone certified back glass and it's fitted by an iPhone tech that can enable the flag that lets your back glass work.
In a world like that, it makes no sense for Microsoft to put up with cheap knockoffs of its products especially if those products suck and are ruining its brand image.
Capitalism sucks but it is what it is. What we should do as consumers is vote with our money and not buy any accessories like this until these companies allow more third party developers to sell their parts. It just doesn't work that way though. People keep buying this stuff no matter how high the prices go
You've now taken the stance that these other companies did scummy things so it's okay for Microsoft to do scummy anti consumer things. This will also not find purchase.
Dude, my personal stance is irrelevant here.
I'm not saying that that's my stance. I'm saying Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world. You're not going to change their mind by saying "I don't like it".
All I'm saying is "this is how businesses work". If we don't like it, we need to protest, vote with our wallets.
If you must know, my personal stance is the same as everyone else's: it sucks that they're forcing us to pay for first party/verified third party hardware which usually comes with a price rise.
But I thought I'd inform people what Microsoft's position is in all this. They're not going to stop taking massive losses just because some people on Lemmy said "that's not nice". Reality is that every company wants to make a profit and retain a positive brand image, especially now that Microsoft spent 69 billion dollars on Activision -Blizzard.
Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren't revealing new information here. And we know that leaving a comment on lemmy isn't going to change anything, this is not new information.
We don't really like this whole "big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it" thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.
You're finding it extremely hard to understand the concepts of this conversation and still have the gall to be sarcastic and patronising. It's surprising when you're clearly misinformed.
No one's said you can't talk about it? How are you so confused? I'll break it down for you since you're obviously struggling:
Companies sell products. Companies like Sony have a tighter control on their third party hardware. Companies like Microsoft are much more lenient, but it causes cheap knockoffs to flood the market and reduce their brand value and first-party profits. Microsoft will now implement a check to control third party hardware. People on Lemmy get upset. It's hypocrisy.
You're either upset with the whole system or none of it. Getting upset the moment Microsoft does it makes no sense. At no point is anyone saying that you can't talk about it.
do you really think people are just upset now? and aren't upset when other companies do bad things?