people share consequences with their government regardless of whether it’s a democracy or whether they personally support said government.
So Hamas is justified in killing Israeli citizens just as the IDF is justified in killing Gazan citizens?
Weird watching you twist your brain into knots to find ways to only condemn one side while praising the other.
Israeli civilians clearly have been sharing consequences for the actions of their state. What do you think the attack was about?
The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves. The earliest conflicts between Jewish farmers and Arab farmers, the earliest massacres in mandatory Palestine, were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian Arab nationalism made a one state solution not viable, and Palestinians declared war on their Israeli neighbors because they didn't like the borders of a two-state solution. They got their asses handed to them. Then they tried it again in 1967, once again getting their asses handed to them. They have constantly been aggressors who refused to make a viable peace and acknowledge their realpolitik situation. Instead, they have opted for terrorist Guerrilla attacks against civilians for the past 50 years as their situation grows ever worse.
But yeah if you ignore all context and causality both sides are the same 🙄
I hope you're looking in a mirror when you roll those emoji eyes, since you're cherry picking and ignoring an awful lot of history and context of actions. You look from the perspective of one, but not the other - why? Have you given up on rational thought and agreed with the propeganda that an entire population thinks as one and is subhuman, not deserving of a chance at independent life to earn a living, feed their family, go to the beach, visit relatives, cook good food, etc..?
Do you honestly believe that the massacre of the Jewish state is the only thought in every Palestinian's head?
Or maybe you're being deceived to be ok with a group of old politicians bringing about the genocide of a race of people caught in the context of bad historical decisions of others?
You look from the perspective of one, but not the other - why?
I used to be on the fence thinking that both sides were terrible because I didn't understand the conflict, I have read a lot about it since then, mostly on Wikipedia, and I no longer think it's a both sides issue. Palestinians are responsible for their situation.
you’re cherry picking and ignoring an awful lot of history and context of actions.
Certainly a lot of atrocities happened on both sides since the conflict started. I was citing what caused this conflict in the first place. It was started by Palestinians, and it was escalated by Palestinians. It can be ended by Palestinians immediately.
Have you given up on rational thought and agreed with the propeganda that an entire population thinks as one and is subhuman, not deserving of a chance at independent life to earn a living, feed their family, go to the beach, visit relatives, cook good food, etc…?
Implying that siding with Israel means racism… clearly it's not about race because 20% of Israelis are Palestinian Arabs with full rights. They aren't hostile or murdering their civilian neighbors. Why are they treated differently? Maybe it's not about subhuman or superhuman, for Israel. it's about safety.
I think it would be wonderful if they had all of these things, they should surrender and negotiate for peace so that they may accomplish such things. Accept that they lost the war, accept that they're not going to get the 1948 borders back, accept that they will lose territory, pacify themselves, and they can have all of that. It's the constant killing of their neighbors that has led to their current miserable condition.
The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves.
Did you know Israel and Egypt have been blockading Gaza since 2007?
Did you know Israel and Egypt have been blockading Gaza since 2007?
I did. Did you know that was in response to Gaza electing Hamas who at that time took over Gaza in a coup?
So... Israel isn't a neutral actor "just trying to defend themselves." They're cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.
At what point do you admit when you're wrong?
What does it take?
So… Israel isn’t a neutral actor “just trying to defend themselves.” They’re cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.
They are cutting off Gaza to defend themselves.
Before the attack, many Gazans were given permission to work in Israel.
Egypt can let in as many Gazans at they want, only they don't want to because they represent a security risk to them. I do not believe Israel's treaty with them limits this.
There's an obvious reason why Israel blockades Gaza, doesn't let people into their territory without permission, and heavily controls its border with a territory that is actively belligerent and wants to genocide them.
At what point do you admit when you’re wrong? What does it take?
So Hamas is justified in killing Israeli citizens just as the IDF is justified in killing Gazan citizens?
Weird watching you twist your brain into knots to find ways to only condemn one side while praising the other.
Israeli civilians clearly have been sharing consequences for the actions of their state. What do you think the attack was about?
The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves. The earliest conflicts between Jewish farmers and Arab farmers, the earliest massacres in mandatory Palestine, were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian Arab nationalism made a one state solution not viable, and Palestinians declared war on their Israeli neighbors because they didn't like the borders of a two-state solution. They got their asses handed to them. Then they tried it again in 1967, once again getting their asses handed to them. They have constantly been aggressors who refused to make a viable peace and acknowledge their realpolitik situation. Instead, they have opted for terrorist Guerrilla attacks against civilians for the past 50 years as their situation grows ever worse.
But yeah if you ignore all context and causality both sides are the same 🙄
I hope you're looking in a mirror when you roll those emoji eyes, since you're cherry picking and ignoring an awful lot of history and context of actions. You look from the perspective of one, but not the other - why? Have you given up on rational thought and agreed with the propeganda that an entire population thinks as one and is subhuman, not deserving of a chance at independent life to earn a living, feed their family, go to the beach, visit relatives, cook good food, etc..?
Do you honestly believe that the massacre of the Jewish state is the only thought in every Palestinian's head?
Or maybe you're being deceived to be ok with a group of old politicians bringing about the genocide of a race of people caught in the context of bad historical decisions of others?
I used to be on the fence thinking that both sides were terrible because I didn't understand the conflict, I have read a lot about it since then, mostly on Wikipedia, and I no longer think it's a both sides issue. Palestinians are responsible for their situation.
Certainly a lot of atrocities happened on both sides since the conflict started. I was citing what caused this conflict in the first place. It was started by Palestinians, and it was escalated by Palestinians. It can be ended by Palestinians immediately.
Implying that siding with Israel means racism… clearly it's not about race because 20% of Israelis are Palestinian Arabs with full rights. They aren't hostile or murdering their civilian neighbors. Why are they treated differently? Maybe it's not about subhuman or superhuman, for Israel. it's about safety.
I think it would be wonderful if they had all of these things, they should surrender and negotiate for peace so that they may accomplish such things. Accept that they lost the war, accept that they're not going to get the 1948 borders back, accept that they will lose territory, pacify themselves, and they can have all of that. It's the constant killing of their neighbors that has led to their current miserable condition.
Did you know Israel and Egypt have been blockading Gaza since 2007?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
I did. Did you know that was in response to Gaza electing Hamas who at that time took over Gaza in a coup?
So... Israel isn't a neutral actor "just trying to defend themselves." They're cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.
At what point do you admit when you're wrong?
What does it take?
They are cutting off Gaza to defend themselves.
Compelling evidence.