Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say

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Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough line

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Did you even read the definition you linked to. " not discriminating or discerning; lacking in care, judgment, selectivity, etc "

Yes and have you been paying attention to this war? They e avoided hitting hospitals that Hamas is operating out of. Every strike is balanced against their generic goal. There are reports from on the ground of them delaying strikes to ensure that the maximum number of civilians can get evacuated. It's very clear they're not indiscriminately bombing. It's very clear they're being selective in where they bomb.

Your next point is that Israel by virtue of having firepower greater than Palestine is good by virtue of not already being on a bloody rampage. We don't reward a murderer for eating in the prison canteen without murdering the other inmates. Your argument is absurd.

I never claimed "good", you called Israel aggressive. But they're definitely not aggressive. To keep your metaphor going, if the 4' guy keeps trying to rape the 7' guy in the shower and keeps getting knocked in the teeth, the 7' guy isn't "aggressive" for that. Of one day the 4' guy brings a bat and then gets beat up severely that's still on the 4' guy.

I said war conventions, you changed the goalposts and said rules of war. That's a sneaky way to try and undermine my point, which is valid.

Not being sneaky. The conventions on war define the rules of war. They're one and the same. Nothinf sneaky there, just a lack of knowledge on your part.

What justification could you possibly have for the annexation of the folan heights and other areas in the west bank that shows Israel seeking a peaceful solution, which the majority of the international community sees as a two state solution. Israel is purposely undermining that effort in contravention of international law for decades.

They've not annexed the Golan Heights that's still disputed between them and the Rump state of Syria, similarly to the territory that's in the middle of the Hezbollah/Lebanon stuff.

Israel pulled out of Gaza seeking a peaceful solution. Gazans and Palestinians mistook their desire for peace as a sign of weakness and have been attacking ever since.

And last I checked Palestinians rejected a two state solution deal that had 99% of the '67 borders, no settlers and land swaps to give Palestinians more land than they had in 1967.

Strange there are so many dead Palestinians each year from Israeli actions if they are not aggressive.

So you think attaching hospitals is wrong then? Read the news from today. Not a bomb for this one, but an attack nonetheless.

Israel did not seek a peaceful solution.istael has never been at peace with it's neighbours. Any of them. Relations were starting to normalise but that's now hopeless for a long time. Although to be fair, both sides did seem to come to the table in good faith. It was apparent by the end that neither wished to come to an agreement that the other could tolerat. Israel is purposely settling in land that is not theirs to make a border impossible

Again, using your continuation of the metaphor, Israel is the 7 foot guy constantly harassing the 4 foot guy over many years. When the 4 foot guy finally snaps and punches back, the 7 foot guy paralyses him for life.

So you think attaching hospitals is wrong then? Read the news from today. Not a bomb for this one, but an attack nonetheless.

Yes attaching your military infrastructure to hospitals is wrong, it's a war crime and it's what Hamas is currently doing. It's asking for it to be attacked.

Strange there are so many dead Palestinians each year from Israeli actions if they are not aggressive.

Are they from military actions or are they civil disputes. Every year Palestinians take pot shots at soldiers, fire a few rockets towards Israel,get lucky and kill some people. But that's generally not the converted effort of it's government.

Israel did not seek a peaceful solution.istael has never been at peace with it's neighbours.

This is an objectively false statement.

also! how's aussiezone's performanace?

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Great. No issues. Local content. Constant uptime from my perspective. Mod is friendly and transparent.

uh-oh! pls don't try to argue who has more dead. remember that gaza launches approximately 4000 missiles every year towards israel and if it wasn't thx to israel's IRON DOME a whole lot would be dead or worse :c

Both actions and their consequences are important. Neither side is a “good” side. Hamas doesn’t represent all Palestinians. Israel’s policies do, as it’s an internationally recognised state with democratic processes.

Hamas firing thousands of rockets is terrorism. Israel eliminating Palestinians is genocide. Hamas’ stated objective is genocide.