Biden renews call for assault weapons ban after ‘tragic and senseless’ spate of July 4 shootings

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Biden renews call for assault weapons ban after spate of July 4 shootings
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President says ‘epidemic of gun violence is tearing our communities apart’ after mass shootings in Philadelphia, Fort Worth, Baltimore and Chicago

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Here's an idea: all new guns must only be operable by the person who purchased them after going through rigorous background checks. This will be done using fingerprint technology. The gun simply will not fire unless it is in the right hands.

So a technology that doesn't exist?

That's not at all the same thing as a requiring a fingerprint to fire the gun on ever shot. Even if the technology existed (it doesn't) a gun is a life or death safety tool. Needing to use your gun and having it fail because of some stupid fucking fingerprint sensor is a deal breaker.

I agree that would suck. It would have to be a reliable feature that does not put the user at risk.

It's not really that easy unfortunately. You can essentially 3D print gun parts now, and you can buy parts separately to make kits pretty easily to get around any kind of restrictions like that.

If it is so easy to 3D print guns or put together the parts, how is it that gun control measures in other countries are still effective?

Like Myanmar where gen z is fighting their government partially using 3d printed guns. There are even glocks frames available for printing. The Orca AR just came out, the KF 5 a printable MP5 recently came out for printing.

It would make it harder for high schoolers and dumb criminals to shoot up schools, unless they are sophisticated enough to build their own guns. Increasing the barrier for entry would not be a bad idea.

Never thought about it until now, but it's because they also don't have access to ammo or ammo making materials in most of those countries. Ammo control is actually the effective part of a gun control plan I guess.

Effective?? Hahahhahah

Only if the government replaces all of its weapons with unreliable biometric smart guns first. I refuse to accept a status quo where the United States government is better armed than its citizens.

Um, the US government IS better armed than its citizens. Also, I would say ideas and behavioral controls are more effective at controlling citizens than weaponry outside of a war.

I know, and I'm not happy about it. The government disarmed my forbears before implicitly enabling mob violence against them, so... Come and take it, cold dead hands, etc.

The thing is, they will.

Long before we hit a threshold where it's morally acceptable to shoot dead agents of the state, they will have taken away your gun. There's just no dimension where the guns in the hands of private citizens are what scare off tyranny.

And let's be honest, tyranny is happening right now and the armed populace stands by and watches. Desantis is actively pursuing genocide against trans and queer people. Texas is forcing people to risk their lives carrying dead babies to term. Police continue to gun down black people at rates hugely beyond other racial groups. An actual criminal that called for a coup is running for president. And the "well-organized milita" does nothing. Aside from when they actively participate in that very tyranny.

What "well-organized militia" are you talking about? If you're referencing the 2nd Amendment, it mentions a "well-regulated", meaning well-equipped, militia consisting of the people of the United States. Nearly a century of the federal government consolidating power has weakened the militia, but it should still fear crossing lines that the people won't tolerate.

Sadly, the acts of tyranny you mentioned are mostly applauded by the armed demographic and largely opposed by the same group arguing for Americans to be disarmed. If they armed themselves and became proficient in their weapons of choice, perhaps it wouldnt be so easy to ban abortion, abuse the power of the state, and lead a coup against the democratically elected government.

Just sayin'.

A century ago the right to bear arms was barely protected the way it is today. The modern absolutist version of it didn't exist until recently. Prior to modern weapons hitting their marketability and becoming extraordinarily widespread alongside a general decline in the national welfare in the form of vast wealth inequality, crushing systemic oppression, a collapsing environment, creeping fascism, and a failed financial system that not just lost its ability to lift people out of poverty but now holds them down in it... it just wasn't really a problem.

And again, there is no fear or reprisal and never was any from the feds. Not once in modern life has the federal government refused to enforce its laws, just or unjust, over fears of someone's armed status. When some guy out on a ranch was armed to the teeth and refusing to comply, the feds showed up in force to put that shit down. The only real law enforcement response to all the guns is that cops are more likely to shoot first and assess threats second than they once were. The real result of how widespread guns are is the average person being less able to defend themselves against unjust actions of the state because they are dead.

Meanwhile, people -- people like you -- are treating the actual tyranny going down like someone else's problem. Blaming the victims for not strapping. Instead of doing something about it. You aren't showing up to defend the weak. That isn't really what your guns are about. They're just totems and fetishes that represent beliefs you don't have the courage to act on. It's a power fantasy, but not one you'll act on.

All these facts together are how I know that the right to bear arms is all about self-defense and not at all about a check on government power. Not to even mention the myriad historical documents including the Constitution itself that make it blindingly obvious that there is no right to commit sedition or rebel.

I'm not even super anti-gun. I don't like them much, but don't really give much of a fuck about bans, especially in the face of the impossible political task represents. But I sure would love the folks who love guns to actually step forward and help advocate for policy that WOULD address the problems of violence that don't take guns away. Gun policies like universal registration/training, removing policies that protect sellers and manufacturers from liability, and collecting national statistics on violence (instead of forbidding it, because these stats should show guns make the world safer if the lobby isn't totally full of shit), investigating domestic terrorist organizations, and all these things. Not to mention desperation interventions like education, better urban design, mental/physical healthcare, and labor reforms that can remove root causes of violence. Things the average gun lover stands firmly against. I suppose because they want the guns being used.