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I mean, even a significant majority of 18-24 year olds supports Israel, and half of them don't vote, even in normal years. About 28% of voters who disapprove of Biden's handling of this situation actually think he's too supportive of Palestine, and independents are more supportive of Israel than registered Democrats The demographic with the highest turnout rate supports Israel over Palestine by a 6 to 1 margin.

So yeah, the youth vote is absolutely critical if he hopes to win reelection, and turnout is a significant part of that, but the opinion of the youth, and further the opinion of the thin sliver of young people here on Lemmy, does not accurately reflect the opinion of the broader voting electorate. The fact is, people here care WAY more about the Israeli conflict than most of the rest of the country.

You are still thinking that winning elections is about convincing the center.

That was true up to about 2008.

Now, in the US, it's about turning up the base.

Your analysis is weak, and pandering to the elderly is not going to be a winning strategy.

Up until now, Biden has been smarter than that. And I have some faith he will find a winning strategy.

But an analysis like this will only lead to losing.

You are still thinking that winning elections is about convincing the center.

No, I'm saying elections are about convincing likely voters. And with Biden's continued edge with independents, I might be right. Others who have done deep dives into the data agree with me, too. Clinton had a 30-point edge in the 18-29 demographic and exactly the same support in the 30-49 demographic, which means she did better among younger voters than Biden, and she still lost.

Your analysis is weak

Oh piss off. Yours is infantile and naive, and you're not even a voter. People stop taking you seriously when you make this shit personal, and your sentence would have conveyed the same meaning without the invective.

pandering to the elderly is not going to be a winning strategy.

Nope, but pandering to likely voters might be. 68% of Jewish voters said they'll vote Biden over Trump, and only 11% were undecided. Hell, even Bernie won't call for a cease fire. And there's a stupid amount of money that gets thrown at any Democrat who steps out of line to criticize Israel. Might depressed youth/base turnout lose him the election? Sure. Might also alienating a very powerful (and wealthy) ally who could further depress turnout among a hitherto reliable voting bloc? You fucking betcha.

But an analysis like this will only lead to losing.

Like what? Surveying likely voters? I pointed to actual poll numbers. The numbers are there if you care to look, and they're likely the same numbers Biden's team is reviewing to chart the best path forward in an election year.

The fact that you seem so unwaveringly sure of yourself without a shred of evidence makes me significantly less inclined to engage, by the way. I might not respond further, so if you don't want to waste your time formulating another quippish, vapid response, don't.

I think it's better you don't respond. It's not particularly productive to read your bad takes.

You put way too much effort in providing links instead of actually thinking.

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