Negotiating with a party that was specifically founded to destroy Israel is pointless. Also Palestine could be a state if Abbas didn't fuck up the negotiations by demanding more and more and walking away with nothing in the end.
Them not having better weapons is something I'd consider a skill issue. They suck at politics and have to rely on Iran and jihads because everyone else in the area will loudly condemn Israel while quietly doing fuckall and endorsing Israel curbstomping hamas.
@100_percent_a_bot That's hilarious considering that Israel is the one that doesn't recognize Palestine...while the Palestinians (as part of the Oslo Accords) recognized Israel
And no, they would have had a "provisional" state.. whatever the fuck that is. Stop lying.
As for the rest, literally irrelevant to Israel's military Occupation of them. That's Israel's fault and the own the sole blame for their own actions.
Are you an Israeli?
That's usually how it goes. They'd have a provisional state that gets more and more jurisdiction and responsibilities over time, finally becoming a state at some point. That is unless they do unhinged psycho shit like instigating countless terrorist insurgencies and constant rocket attacks. No one should have to put up with any of this.
That Gaza is still occupied is the fault of Palestineans doing unhinged psycho shit. Casting yourself as a victim doesn't work if you're a crybully and everyone can see your insane behavior.
My nationality is not important to any of my beliefs on this but no, I'm not Isreali. I don't even think they are flawless or anything, quite the contrary but there's being a flawed democracy and being whatever the hell Gaza is supposed to be.
@100_percent_a_bot but I do like your use of the word " cry bully" as the Israeli or the biggest crybullies on the planet.
They're settlers attack innocent Palestinians, while they settle lands that aren't even theirs and the Israeli military backs them up.
At the end of this, the nation of Israel has to go the way Nazi Germany went
Also at worst Israel is a regular old bully, beating everyone up who provides them with a reason. But Palestine is like that little skinny shitstain in the back of the class, launching spitballs at the biggest kid in class and tripping him after school which makes him go absolutely ballistic.
Personally I have a hard time being sympathetic with these people, considering they still support hamas despite of the suffering they brought to the Gaza strip. There will probably have to be large deradicalization programs for them once this is over. So yeah, as we speak Palestine is literally going the way nazi Germany went, being bombed into submissions and having their will to fight broken.
@100_percent_a_bot Israel is a genocidal, terrorist, colonizing nation. Fixed it for you. Removed the whitewashing
Isreal good, Hamas bad. Palestineans useful idiots. See, I can be reductionist too.
@100_percent_a_bot There's no such thing as a provisional state. Israel was never a provisional state That's literally bullshit. That is typical israelially propaganda
The Palestinians including Gaza because we're also talking about the West Bank here too is occupied by the Israeli, no one else only them. The Palestinians are not Occupying the Israeli. You keep trying to skip over that part. But now we can add genocide to it too
That's absolutely not true, provisional states are very much real. There was a provisional German state after the collapse of the German Reich that existed from 45-49, before the creation of East- and West- Germany. There also was the British mandate for the area after the collapse of ottoman empire. So in a way there also was a provisional Israel.
The rest you write here is jibberish to me, but sure, the Isreali have been genociding Palestine for 70 years, more than doubling their numbers in the process. Seems like they are the least competent genocides in history.
Worse throwing out irrelevant topics to push your pro-genocide agenda. You would make a worker at Auschwitz
Bro just look it up. At least be informed when pretending to care about specific things.
@100_percent_a_bot Also Israel used terrorism ( the Israeli Irgun terrorists)just fine to kick the British army out so that "provisional" bullshit you're trying doesn't fly
Nothing you've said justifies genocide
Yeah would be really bad if they were actually doing a genocide then
@100_percent_a_bot Yeah, 30,000 dead , destruction of culturally significant locations, educational facilities, cemeteries, unrelated civilian infrastructure with no plans to restore any of those things while committing ethnic cleansing
Israel is committing genocide, just it was done by Nazi Germany to their ancestors, they just haven't hit the millions of fatalities... yet
You must be some kind of neurodivergent, right? There's no way anyone who's somewhat well adjusted (or at least well medicated) is this unhinged and this historically illiterate. No, even mathematically illiterate. Israel has killed like half of hamas already, while maintaining a combatant to civilian death ratio somewhere between 1-3 & 1-4. This is remarkable since hamas is doing their best to get their own civilians killed by colocating ammo and fuel dumps within civilian infrastructure (warcrime btw) and running their command centers within hospitals (also warcrime). The idea that Isreals military is conducting a genocide is laughable, considering they could have murdered everyone within there within weeks, yet they somehow don't.
@100_percent_a_bot Ah, when you starting losing you start attempting to insult the winner of the debate, it's obvious you're lying. Nearly 30,000 dead is indiscriminate, and intentional.
Remember, Israel isn't killing Hamas.. they're making the next generation of radicals. Just like Nazi Germany did.
Also, all of the Palestinians are forced to live in their Israeli made concentration camp, that Israel is now bombing.
Your problem, is that your lies aren't working anymore.
I don't recall insulting myself. And no, you're lying when you say that Israel does indiscriminate bombings and just willy nilly killing civilians. Not even the ICJ case you're probably soying out over tries to allege that. If they were, there would be at least half a million dead by now.
The people in Gaza are already radicalized and have been for years - jike nazi Germany before the war. That's btw a way better nazi comparison. Just like nazi Germany, the hamas regime is now bombed into submissions and despite everything I'm hopeful that things will continue like with post ww2 Germany with hardcore deradicalization programs in cooperation with the surrounding states.
Negotiating with a party that was specifically founded to destroy Israel is pointless. Also Palestine could be a state if Abbas didn't fuck up the negotiations by demanding more and more and walking away with nothing in the end.
Them not having better weapons is something I'd consider a skill issue. They suck at politics and have to rely on Iran and jihads because everyone else in the area will loudly condemn Israel while quietly doing fuckall and endorsing Israel curbstomping hamas.
@100_percent_a_bot That's hilarious considering that Israel is the one that doesn't recognize Palestine...while the Palestinians (as part of the Oslo Accords) recognized Israel
And no, they would have had a "provisional" state.. whatever the fuck that is. Stop lying.
As for the rest, literally irrelevant to Israel's military Occupation of them. That's Israel's fault and the own the sole blame for their own actions.
Are you an Israeli?
That's usually how it goes. They'd have a provisional state that gets more and more jurisdiction and responsibilities over time, finally becoming a state at some point. That is unless they do unhinged psycho shit like instigating countless terrorist insurgencies and constant rocket attacks. No one should have to put up with any of this.
That Gaza is still occupied is the fault of Palestineans doing unhinged psycho shit. Casting yourself as a victim doesn't work if you're a crybully and everyone can see your insane behavior.
My nationality is not important to any of my beliefs on this but no, I'm not Isreali. I don't even think they are flawless or anything, quite the contrary but there's being a flawed democracy and being whatever the hell Gaza is supposed to be.
@100_percent_a_bot but I do like your use of the word " cry bully" as the Israeli or the biggest crybullies on the planet.
They're settlers attack innocent Palestinians, while they settle lands that aren't even theirs and the Israeli military backs them up.
At the end of this, the nation of Israel has to go the way Nazi Germany went
Also at worst Israel is a regular old bully, beating everyone up who provides them with a reason. But Palestine is like that little skinny shitstain in the back of the class, launching spitballs at the biggest kid in class and tripping him after school which makes him go absolutely ballistic.
Personally I have a hard time being sympathetic with these people, considering they still support hamas despite of the suffering they brought to the Gaza strip. There will probably have to be large deradicalization programs for them once this is over. So yeah, as we speak Palestine is literally going the way nazi Germany went, being bombed into submissions and having their will to fight broken.
@100_percent_a_bot Israel is a genocidal, terrorist, colonizing nation. Fixed it for you. Removed the whitewashing
Isreal good, Hamas bad. Palestineans useful idiots. See, I can be reductionist too.
@100_percent_a_bot And dishonest
@100_percent_a_bot There's no such thing as a provisional state. Israel was never a provisional state That's literally bullshit. That is typical israelially propaganda
The Palestinians including Gaza because we're also talking about the West Bank here too is occupied by the Israeli, no one else only them. The Palestinians are not Occupying the Israeli. You keep trying to skip over that part. But now we can add genocide to it too
That's absolutely not true, provisional states are very much real. There was a provisional German state after the collapse of the German Reich that existed from 45-49, before the creation of East- and West- Germany. There also was the British mandate for the area after the collapse of ottoman empire. So in a way there also was a provisional Israel.
The rest you write here is jibberish to me, but sure, the Isreali have been genociding Palestine for 70 years, more than doubling their numbers in the process. Seems like they are the least competent genocides in history.
@100_percent_a_bot and now you're just lying.
Worse throwing out irrelevant topics to push your pro-genocide agenda. You would make a worker at Auschwitz
Bro just look it up. At least be informed when pretending to care about specific things.
@100_percent_a_bot Also Israel used terrorism ( the Israeli Irgun terrorists)just fine to kick the British army out so that "provisional" bullshit you're trying doesn't fly
Nothing you've said justifies genocide
Yeah would be really bad if they were actually doing a genocide then
@100_percent_a_bot Yeah, 30,000 dead , destruction of culturally significant locations, educational facilities, cemeteries, unrelated civilian infrastructure with no plans to restore any of those things while committing ethnic cleansing
Israel is committing genocide, just it was done by Nazi Germany to their ancestors, they just haven't hit the millions of fatalities... yet
You must be some kind of neurodivergent, right? There's no way anyone who's somewhat well adjusted (or at least well medicated) is this unhinged and this historically illiterate. No, even mathematically illiterate. Israel has killed like half of hamas already, while maintaining a combatant to civilian death ratio somewhere between 1-3 & 1-4. This is remarkable since hamas is doing their best to get their own civilians killed by colocating ammo and fuel dumps within civilian infrastructure (warcrime btw) and running their command centers within hospitals (also warcrime). The idea that Isreals military is conducting a genocide is laughable, considering they could have murdered everyone within there within weeks, yet they somehow don't.
@100_percent_a_bot Ah, when you starting losing you start attempting to insult the winner of the debate, it's obvious you're lying. Nearly 30,000 dead is indiscriminate, and intentional.
Remember, Israel isn't killing Hamas.. they're making the next generation of radicals. Just like Nazi Germany did.
Also, all of the Palestinians are forced to live in their Israeli made concentration camp, that Israel is now bombing.
Your problem, is that your lies aren't working anymore.
I don't recall insulting myself. And no, you're lying when you say that Israel does indiscriminate bombings and just willy nilly killing civilians. Not even the ICJ case you're probably soying out over tries to allege that. If they were, there would be at least half a million dead by now.
The people in Gaza are already radicalized and have been for years - jike nazi Germany before the war. That's btw a way better nazi comparison. Just like nazi Germany, the hamas regime is now bombed into submissions and despite everything I'm hopeful that things will continue like with post ww2 Germany with hardcore deradicalization programs in cooperation with the surrounding states.