Only non-Nato countries have to fight defensive wars. Thanks for convincing me of NATOs effectiveness
I never said NATO is not effective defensive strategy for the government, just that it is effective offensive strategy as well.
However this only applies to the government, not the people. Troops are sent to die in these offensive wars, while otherwise they would be safe at home.
Don't spin this as an opposite claim that all non-NATO countries end up in a war. Some of the countries now in NATO where invaded by NATO first and then forced to join.
That is like saying surrendering is safer then being nutral, bacause they can't attack you if you are already surrendered.
NATO does not force countries to join. There's an application process. You're spouting literal Russian propaganda.
A country that is attacked by NATO doesn't join it after 15-20 years with their populations support. They fund the politicians that are pro-NATO and get them to join it without the support of the people.
It is what actually happened in places like Montenegro. Just beacuse it is horrible, don't assume it is not true.
As for blaming me of spreading a russian propaganda, beacuse of letting you know that we have part in impersialistic regimes, I have a book for you.
Montenegro didn't even exist as a political entity when the Operation Allied Force was in operation. Montenegro was created when it split from Serbia in 2006. At which point it found it's self on a border with a russian friendly state and rightly sought protection from NATO. which makes sense with NATO being a defensive alliance
I would remind you as well that the bombings of serbia were signed off on by the UN security council which included russia to bring an end to the conflict there. The bombings did bring an end to the conflict there.
It's disingenuous to just say "hurr durr nato bombed serbia. nato bad"
And yeah, when you toe the kremlin line, people call you kremlin shill. no amount of childish pictures you post will change that
Well the people in Montegro existed and they where part of the same country that was bombed. There are more montenegrians living in Belgrade then in Montegro, they didn't like the bombing.
Besides, Serbia is not Russian friendly at all, that is propaganda. Serbian government did 10 times more NATO joint military exercises then with Russia, not only are they not Russia friendly, they are hardly neutral. They have NATO offices inside the general military headquaters, the same that building that is still in ruins from the NATO bombing in 1999.
Main opposistion persidential candidate in last elections was a litaral NATO general. Serbia also recieves more donations from EU then any other entetiy and every law passed in the last 20 years was EU law in hopes of integretions that will never happen and people know it.
Entire Blakan is under NATO thumb, the rest is just politics and PR. When you see the actual actions, like Serbia passing secretly passing weapons for Ukraine or wikileaks files showing CIA using Balkain states to supply weapons to taliban, the picture makes far more sense.
No country has ever been forced to join NATO. a country has to apply to join and a defensive alliance only works if all members are willing
They are made to be willing by funding politicains that secretly support it. When they get in power, they join without the support of their people.
CIA has a long history of medeling in elections and this statement that it is willing is of course manufactured, as most of the democratic processes are.
all the superpowers have a long history in meddling with each other domestic affairs. it's a superpower thing, not a NATO thing
Great success then.
Only non-Nato countries have to fight defensive wars. Thanks for convincing me of NATOs effectiveness
I never said NATO is not effective defensive strategy for the government, just that it is effective offensive strategy as well. However this only applies to the government, not the people. Troops are sent to die in these offensive wars, while otherwise they would be safe at home. Don't spin this as an opposite claim that all non-NATO countries end up in a war. Some of the countries now in NATO where invaded by NATO first and then forced to join. That is like saying surrendering is safer then being nutral, bacause they can't attack you if you are already surrendered.
NATO does not force countries to join. There's an application process. You're spouting literal Russian propaganda.
A country that is attacked by NATO doesn't join it after 15-20 years with their populations support. They fund the politicians that are pro-NATO and get them to join it without the support of the people. It is what actually happened in places like Montenegro. Just beacuse it is horrible, don't assume it is not true. As for blaming me of spreading a russian propaganda, beacuse of letting you know that we have part in impersialistic regimes, I have a book for you.
Montenegro didn't even exist as a political entity when the Operation Allied Force was in operation. Montenegro was created when it split from Serbia in 2006. At which point it found it's self on a border with a russian friendly state and rightly sought protection from NATO. which makes sense with NATO being a defensive alliance
I would remind you as well that the bombings of serbia were signed off on by the UN security council which included russia to bring an end to the conflict there. The bombings did bring an end to the conflict there.
It's disingenuous to just say "hurr durr nato bombed serbia. nato bad"
And yeah, when you toe the kremlin line, people call you kremlin shill. no amount of childish pictures you post will change that
Well the people in Montegro existed and they where part of the same country that was bombed. There are more montenegrians living in Belgrade then in Montegro, they didn't like the bombing. Besides, Serbia is not Russian friendly at all, that is propaganda. Serbian government did 10 times more NATO joint military exercises then with Russia, not only are they not Russia friendly, they are hardly neutral. They have NATO offices inside the general military headquaters, the same that building that is still in ruins from the NATO bombing in 1999. Main opposistion persidential candidate in last elections was a litaral NATO general. Serbia also recieves more donations from EU then any other entetiy and every law passed in the last 20 years was EU law in hopes of integretions that will never happen and people know it. Entire Blakan is under NATO thumb, the rest is just politics and PR. When you see the actual actions, like Serbia passing secretly passing weapons for Ukraine or wikileaks files showing CIA using Balkain states to supply weapons to taliban, the picture makes far more sense.
No country has ever been forced to join NATO. a country has to apply to join and a defensive alliance only works if all members are willing
They are made to be willing by funding politicains that secretly support it. When they get in power, they join without the support of their people. CIA has a long history of medeling in elections and this statement that it is willing is of course manufactured, as most of the democratic processes are.
all the superpowers have a long history in meddling with each other domestic affairs. it's a superpower thing, not a NATO thing
CIA != NATO
I completely agree about all superpowers.
CIA and NATO are very close.